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Re: How Long to Tape / Mud / Sand Drywall ? Bob Morrison 03-28-2007
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Posted by Bob Morrison on March 28, 2007, 10:07 am
In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
> Bob, how much analysis of design that wasn't yours would you want to do
> before feeling comfortable attesting to it via your seal?
>

No documents prepared outside my office receive my PE Stamp with only one
exception. The only documents prepared outside my office to get my PE
Stamp are drawings prepared by a drafting service I hired to help with
drawings.

In no case will I seal someone else's calculations.

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Posted by Matt Whiting on March 28, 2007, 6:18 pm
Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
>> Bob, how much analysis of design that wasn't yours would you want to do
>> before feeling comfortable attesting to it via your seal?
>>
>
> No documents prepared outside my office receive my PE Stamp with only one
> exception. The only documents prepared outside my office to get my PE
> Stamp are drawings prepared by a drafting service I hired to help with
> drawings.
>
> In no case will I seal someone else's calculations.
>

I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
the work be completed by you or under your direct control. However, it
seems to me that if someone had a design that was completed by an
engineer who is no longer available (let's say deceased) and needed the
design sealed in order to construct it, it would be legitimate to
analyze the design and perform the critical calculations to ensure the
integrity of the design and then seal it. It sounds like you wouldn't
consider this legitimate. Am I understanding you correctly?

Matt

Posted by Bob Morrison on March 28, 2007, 7:32 pm
In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
>
> I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
> the work be completed by you or under your direct control. However, it
> seems to me that if someone had a design that was completed by an
> engineer who is no longer available (let's say deceased) and needed the
> design sealed in order to construct it, it would be legitimate to
> analyze the design and perform the critical calculations to ensure the
> integrity of the design and then seal it. It sounds like you wouldn't
> consider this legitimate. Am I understanding you correctly?
>

Ah! The deceased engineer (DE) scenario! This presents a special case. I
assume you mean the scenario where the DE dies and his seal has expired.
If he dies before his seal has expired then the calcs should be able to be
used "AS IS".

I think I would have a conversation with the State Licensing Board BEFORE
I went very far with this. Just to see what they might allow and how
tightly they would look at the


--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Posted by Matt Whiting on March 28, 2007, 7:43 pm
Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
>> I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that
>> the work be completed by you or under your direct control. However, it
>> seems to me that if someone had a design that was completed by an
>> engineer who is no longer available (let's say deceased) and needed the
>> design sealed in order to construct it, it would be legitimate to
>> analyze the design and perform the critical calculations to ensure the
>> integrity of the design and then seal it. It sounds like you wouldn't
>> consider this legitimate. Am I understanding you correctly?
>>
>
> Ah! The deceased engineer (DE) scenario! This presents a special case. I
> assume you mean the scenario where the DE dies and his seal has expired.
> If he dies before his seal has expired then the calcs should be able to be
> used "AS IS".
>
> I think I would have a conversation with the State Licensing Board BEFORE
> I went very far with this. Just to see what they might allow and how
> tightly they would look at the

Yes, I agree it would be wise to check. I'm just trying to explore what
other engineers consider to be reasonable interpretations of the
"perform or direct" language in the laws.

Matt

Posted by Don on March 28, 2007, 9:34 pm
"Matt Whiting"> wrote
> I wouldn't seal someone else's work either as most states require that the
> work be completed by you or under your direct control.

What does *direct control* mean?

I used to work at a place that had a base office and 2 satellite offices.
An architect in the base would seal drawings prepared in a satellite.
If that is direct control, then what isn't?



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