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Posted by marson on June 1, 2007, 5:42 pm
> whatever they put on the package is considered a requirement,
>
> > legally binding in court. Any local building official would then be
> > permitted to make a full installation mandatory. As there is no need to
> > overbuild anything, there is no need to make such practice a recommendation.
>
> If this is true, then why do they include hips, ridges, and rakes in
> their instructions? Ice and water shield on ridges and rakes is not
> code in my state. But you are saying that it is considered a
> requirement, legally binding in court because GAF puts it on their
> instructions?
>
> Regarding ventilation, in the case of new construction, you are
> probably right. But it is highly irresponsible to be recommending ice
> and water shield over the whole roof to everyone. Lots of old houses
> have roofs that are marginally ventilated and have marginal vapor
> barriers, as you must know.
marginal vapor barrier on the warm side of the house insulation to be
exact.
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Posted by Don on May 30, 2007, 10:04 pm
"Dennis"> wrote
> At our local Menards, the poly face is $34/sq. (3'x33') and the granular
> face is $36/sq. (and that's retail).
Coincidently I priced it at Menards in Columbus, IN today and they told me
$36 for a 3' x 100' roll, granular.
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Posted by marson on May 31, 2007, 7:26 am
> "Dennis"> wrote
>
> > At our local Menards, the poly face is $34/sq. (3'x33') and the granular
> > face is $36/sq. (and that's retail).
>
> Coincidently I priced it at Menards in Columbus, IN today and they told me
> $36 for a 3' x 100' roll, granular.
Yep, and my roofer refuses to use the shit from menards because by the
time you fix all the tears etc, you would have been better off
spending a few more bucks.
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Posted by Don on May 31, 2007, 9:39 am
>> "Dennis"> wrote
>>
>> > At our local Menards, the poly face is $34/sq. (3'x33') and the
>> > granular
>> > face is $36/sq. (and that's retail).
>>
>> Coincidently I priced it at Menards in Columbus, IN today and they told
>> me
>> $36 for a 3' x 100' roll, granular.
>
> Yep, and my roofer refuses to use the shit from menards because by the
> time you fix all the tears etc, you would have been better off
> spending a few more bucks.
The thing about buying stuff at Menards/Lowes/Home Depot, etc. is that the
choosing of products is the sole responsibility of the purchaser.
I sort of prefer that myself.
Just yesterday I purchased about $400 worth of PT lumber and anchor bolts
and various other things for a project I'm building and I *hand selcted*
every single component to assure that I received the best they had.
If your roofer spent time fixing tears and stuff you should have planted
your workboot squarely in his ass for wasting your time and resources.
A few minutes spent up front scrutinizing the purchases saves alot of
problems on down the line.
Quality builders know this, why don't you?
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Posted by Robert Allison on May 30, 2007, 11:14 pm
Dennis wrote:
> At our local Menards, the poly face is $34/sq. (3'x33') and the granular
> face is $36/sq. (and that's retail).
> As far as labor, it would be only a little more, considering you would have
> to roll out and fasten down use 15# underlayment anyway. (At least if your
> building to code).
>
> If your only installing cheap asphalt shingle roofs (20 year), I would agree
> that it's use may be questionable as the roof is probably only going to be
> good for 15 years anyway. But for longer-life products (including 30-40 year
> asphalt, tile and the like), it's a no-brainier to use it.
> For a quality home, a roof is not a place to go cheap.
If you think that the roof is important, then you should also
consider your plumbing. Although, like placing IWS
everywhere, it is not common practice, placing all of your
plumbing pipes in PVC can keep that possible leak from
becoming a disaster. I have seen many more homes destroyed or
damaged by plumbing leaks than roof leaks. And I should know
as I am in the insurance repair business (15 years or so).
It is simple (like using IWS everywhere). Simply install 2"
PVC pipe everywhere that you need water, then run your copper
or PEX through the PVC. Should there be a leak, the PVC
contains it.
And hey, what about fire? It would probably be a good idea to
encase all of your combustable materials in concrete. That
way, there is nothing to catch fire except your personal
property and that could be treated with a fire retardant.
Don't forget about these other things and just add ICW.
Remember, a little extra goes a long way to protect your
quality home. Whats a few extra tens of thousands of dollars
when your peace of mind is at stake?
>>First of all, the stuff ranges from 25 to 50 bucks a square for the
>>material. Last I checked, it isn't climbing the ladder and rolling
>>itself out spontaneously. You're going to have to add some labor for
>>the installation. If you are in an area where it isn't being used
>
>
>
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Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX
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