Re: Why do we need Unions

Posted by T. C. Conde on August 19, 2008, 2:26 am

Once the unions helped cure the terrible child labor laws and other
injustices, they ceased having a purpose. Civil and criminal penalties have
been put into place that obsolete unions. It's like a buggy whip; once it
had a purpose, now it doesn't. I drive my daughter to a private school 25
miles one way because of the incredible damage the unions have done to our
education system. Union teachers do not want to teach. Remember Jaime
Edscalante? The teacher in the movie Stand and Deliver who taught calculus
to barrio students? Who finally got him fired? Union "educators". Why?
Someone tell me, please...

> Our good conditions of employment came from union action over the past
> century.
> Unions provide the level playing field and the balance needed for
> justice. Employer organization's refer to union bosses' excesses. They
> ignore the excesses of the company bosses, their failures and their
> obscene pay, 130 times the average workers' pay.
> Why do we need Unions?
> Only an idiot refuses to see the writing's on the wall.
> Millwright Ron
> www.unionmillwright.com

Posted by tmurf.1@juno.com on August 19, 2008, 8:37 pm

> Once the unions helped cure the terrible child labor laws and other
> injustices, they ceased having a purpose. Civil and criminal penalties ha=

> been put into place that obsolete unions. It's like a buggy whip; once it
> had a purpose, now it doesn't. I drive my daughter to a private school 25
> miles one way because of the incredible damage the unions have done to ou=

> education system. Union teachers do not want to teach. Remember Jaime
> Edscalante? The teacher in the movie Stand and Deliver who taught calculu=

> to barrio students? Who finally got him fired? Union "educators". Why?
> Someone tell me, please...

> > Our good conditions of employment came from union action over the past
> > century.
> > Unions provide the level playing field and the balance needed for
> > justice. Employer organization's refer to union bosses' excesses. They
> > ignore the excesses of the company bosses, their failures =A0and their
> > obscene pay, 130 times the average workers' pay.
> > Why do we need Unions?
> > Only an idiot refuses to see the writing's on the wall.
> > Millwright Ron
> >www.unionmillwright.com- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Unions are needed today more than ever because of the unchallenged
power of CEOs and the ability of companies to shut down and go
overseas for cheap unregulated labor. No other organizations can come
close to the power of the "business roundtable" and manufacturers asso
and the chamber of commerce. These people put millions into politics
to get what they want from our tax dollars while not paying any
themselves. They are creating a slave class to replace the middle
class. One need only look at the wage differential increases of the
last few decades between the CEOs and the workers. Hundreds of times
the pay of ordinary workers, sometimes thousands of times the pay.
All the while more and more people in this country can't afford basic
health care but every other country gives it away as a human right.
Unions have much more to do in the future Their work will never be
done.

Posted by PeterD on August 20, 2008, 9:06 am

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:37:18 -0700 (PDT), "tmurf.1@juno.com"

>> Once the unions helped cure the terrible child labor laws and other
>> injustices, they ceased having a purpose. Civil and criminal penalties have
>> been put into place that obsolete unions. It's like a buggy whip; once it
>> had a purpose, now it doesn't. I drive my daughter to a private school 25
>> miles one way because of the incredible damage the unions have done to our
>> education system. Union teachers do not want to teach. Remember Jaime
>> Edscalante? The teacher in the movie Stand and Deliver who taught calculus
>> to barrio students? Who finally got him fired? Union "educators". Why?
>> Someone tell me, please...

>> > Our good conditions of employment came from union action over the past
>> > century.
>> > Unions provide the level playing field and the balance needed for
>> > justice. Employer organization's refer to union bosses' excesses. They
>> > ignore the excesses of the company bosses, their failures and their
>> > obscene pay, 130 times the average workers' pay.
>> > Why do we need Unions?
>> > Only an idiot refuses to see the writing's on the wall.
>> > Millwright Ron
>> >www.unionmillwright.com- Hide quoted text -

>> - Show quoted text -

>Unions are needed today more than ever because of the unchallenged
>power of CEOs

Dear god, Millwright Ronnie has morphed to get by my <plonk>

Gee, Ronnie, I can block you with this ID too.

<plonk>

Posted by T. C. Conde on August 21, 2008, 5:08 pm

Ah, it all comes down to money, doesn't it? If you wanted to make CEO money,
you should have become a CEO. Surely, you knew going in that a millright
makes less than a CEO. That didn't stop you then, did it? Do you want to be
responsible to stockholders or a board that can say, sorry, we don't like
you, YOU'RE FIRED. You wouldn't like that. I know your type. You are the guy
that if someone asks them to work 2 minutes past quitting time, you're on
the phone to the shop steward complaining about injuctices. I've been on the
other side. I didn't like being a CEO (actually, in my case, a CFO). You lie
awake at night, worrying about a contract that may get cancelled, or funding
that may nnot happen, or competitors that are trying to eat your lunch. In
my case, it causes ulcers I have to this day. You work 20 hours a day, for
weeks on end at budget time, and you sweat every budget item, scared to
death that something will happen to the price or availablity of some vital
raw material that literally puts you out of business. You go ahead. You try
that and then you complain to me about the injustice between the CEOs and
the working man who has no worries beyond why he isn't paid as much as the
CEO.

Unions are needed today more than ever because of the unchallenged
power of CEOs and the ability of companies to shut down and go
overseas for cheap unregulated labor. No other organizations can come
close to the power of the "business roundtable" and manufacturers asso
and the chamber of commerce. These people put millions into politics
to get what they want from our tax dollars while not paying any
themselves. They are creating a slave class to replace the middle
class. One need only look at the wage differential increases of the
last few decades between the CEOs and the workers. Hundreds of times
the pay of ordinary workers, sometimes thousands of times the pay.
All the while more and more people in this country can't afford basic
health care but every other country gives it away as a human right.
Unions have much more to do in the future Their work will never be
done.

Posted by tmurf.1@juno.com on August 21, 2008, 5:44 pm

> Ah, it all comes down to money, doesn't it? If you wanted to make CEO money,
> you should have become a CEO. Surely, you knew going in that a millright
> makes less than a CEO. That didn't stop you then, did it? Do you want to be
> responsible to stockholders or a board that can say, sorry, we don't like
> you, YOU'RE FIRED. You wouldn't like that. I know your type. You are the guy
> that if someone asks them to work 2 minutes past quitting time, you're on
> the phone to the shop steward complaining about injuctices. I've been on the
> other side. I didn't like being a CEO (actually, in my case, a CFO). You lie
> awake at night, worrying about a contract that may get cancelled, or funding
> that may nnot happen, or competitors that are trying to eat your lunch. In
> my case, it causes ulcers I have to this day. You work 20 hours a day, for
> weeks on end at budget time, and you sweat every budget item, scared to
> death that something will happen to the price or availablity of some vital
> raw material that literally puts you out of business. You go ahead. You try
> that and then you complain to me about the injustice between the CEOs and
> the working man who has no worries beyond why he isn't paid as much as the
> CEO.
> Unions are needed today more than ever because of the unchallenged
> power of CEOs and the ability of companies to shut down and go
> overseas for cheap unregulated labor. No other organizations can come
> close to the power of the "business roundtable" and manufacturers asso
> and the chamber of commerce. These people put millions into politics
> to get what they want from our tax dollars while not paying any
> themselves. They are creating a slave class to replace the middle
> class. One need only look at the wage differential increases of the
> last few decades between the CEOs and the workers. Hundreds of times
> the pay of ordinary workers, sometimes thousands of times the pay.
> All the while more and more people in this country can't afford basic
> health care but every other country gives it away as a human right.
> Unions have much more to do in the future Their work will never be
> done.

Maybe you were not cut out for the big time CFO lifestyle. I don't
worry that they make more than me but when they make ridulously high
salerys and use the money to stack the deck against the people who
made them so stinking rich I have a problem with that. And btw I am
a CEO myself and I know about the pressures of business.

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