Rural TV help - Page 2

Posted by tim on February 3, 2009, 6:15 pm

>
> PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's
> normally best to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you
> need to run power back up up the coax cable to powre the amp,
> check the splitters.combiners are compatible with that.
>
>
>

If you are rural you WILL want an amp at the antenna. Many antenna
amps have connections for input from two antennas, so you will have
that covered. Then run RG6 (not RG59) down to the house. Since
you don't know how the existing wires are run, forget them. The
best way to do it would be to run the new RG6 to an accessible
central location, install a splitter there, and run more RG6 to
each location. If we are talking a large house or more than a
couple drops, I would install a 'unity' amp/splitter combo. It is
a combination amp and splitter designed so that the output of each
leg of the splitter has the same signal strength as the input to
the unit had.

The reason for all this is that digital has a major difference from
analog as far as signal strenth goes. An NTSC (analog) tuner will
do the best it can with the signal it gets. Below a certain signal
strength it starts outputting noise (snow) as well as image, but
will output SOMETHING until the bitter end. ATSC (digital), on the
other hand, will simply stop processing once the signal strength
drops below a defined level, and will wait for a better signal
before it starts decoding again. Thus the dreaded pixelation and
'freeze frame'. Since almost all ATSC signals are going to be UHF,
you will probably be facing some loss of signal strength already.
You don't want to lose a lot more by doing a poor wiring job.

Posted by Dioclese on February 4, 2009, 5:43 am

>> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message

>>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out the
>>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I
>>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59 cable
>>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through house
>>> entrance.
>>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external to
>>> the house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entrance the
>>> house connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the house
>>> were installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in the
>>> house in the wall, in the living area.
>>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both RG-59
>>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna, which
>>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
>>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could find
>>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
>>> --
>>> Dave

>> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house to
>> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
>> http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS.htm

> PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normally best
> to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power back up
> up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners are
> compatible with that.

Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their VHF
channels to the UHF band when going digital. I found a website that
confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. So, I got a
UHF antenna. Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat panel
antenna UHF/HDTV digital. MANT940.

I understand the siplex setup now. The antenna manual recommends going to
RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate for
length. The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.

I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. The power
supply for it is there. There is a note in the manual that the power
injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be installed
prior to any splitter or amplifier. It also says that the power injector
and its power supply are for indoor use only. As a result, looks like I
can't use the cable system already built into the house. Not exactly what I
was looking to do.

My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analogl
receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. I don't
intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
digital. If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV.
--
Dave

Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
and todays current economical crisis.
Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages of
today.
The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays' bad
mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
Lack of conscience then and now.
President G. W. Bush

Posted by on February 4, 2009, 2:35 pm

On Feb 4, 5:43=A0am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

> >> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
> >>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. =A0Figured out t=

> >>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. =A0One thing I
> >>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59 ca=

ble

> >>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through house
> >>> entrance.
> >>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external =

> >>> the house. =A0On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entranc=

e the

> >>> house connect to that. =A0Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the hous=

> >>> were installed by the builder. =A0There is only one TV connection in =

the

> >>> house in the wall, in the living area.
> >>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both RG=

-59

> >>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna, wh=

ich

> >>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
> >>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. =A0Closest I could fin=

> >>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
> >>> --
> >>> Dave
> >> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house to
> >> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
> >>http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS.htm

> > PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normally b=

est

> > to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power back u=

> > up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners are
> > compatible with that.

> Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their VHF
> channels to the UHF band when going digital. =A0I found a website that
> confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. =A0So, I go=

t a

> UHF antenna. =A0Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat p=

anel

> antenna UHF/HDTV digital. =A0MANT940.
> I understand the siplex setup now. =A0The antenna manual recommends going=

> RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate for
> length. =A0The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.
> I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. =A0The power
> supply for it is there. =A0There is a note in the manual that the power
> injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be installed
> prior to any splitter or amplifier. =A0It also says that the power inject=

> and its power supply are for indoor use only. =A0As a result, looks like =

> can't use the cable system already built into the house. =A0Not exactly w=

hat I

> was looking to do.
> My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analogl
> receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. =A0I d=

on't

> intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
> digital. =A0If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV.
> --
> Dave
> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
> and todays current economical crisis.
> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages =

> today.
> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays' =

bad

> mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
> Lack of conscience then and now.
> President G. W. Bush- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Posted by Dioclese on February 6, 2009, 1:36 am

On Feb 4, 5:43 am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:
> message

> >> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
> >>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out the
> >>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I
> >>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59
> >>> cable
> >>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through house
> >>> entrance.
> >>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external
> >>> to
> >>> the house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entrance
> >>> the
> >>> house connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the house
> >>> were installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in the
> >>> house in the wall, in the living area.
> >>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both
> >>> RG-59
> >>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna,
> >>> which
> >>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
> >>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could find
> >>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
> >>> --
> >>> Dave
> >> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house to
> >> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
> >>http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS.htm

> > PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normally
> > best
> > to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power back up
> > up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners are
> > compatible with that.

> Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their VHF
> channels to the UHF band when going digital. I found a website that
> confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. So, I got a
> UHF antenna. Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat panel
> antenna UHF/HDTV digital. MANT940.
> I understand the siplex setup now. The antenna manual recommends going to
> RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate for
> length. The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.
> I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. The power
> supply for it is there. There is a note in the manual that the power
> injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be installed
> prior to any splitter or amplifier. It also says that the power injector
> and its power supply are for indoor use only. As a result, looks like I
> can't use the cable system already built into the house. Not exactly what
> I
> was looking to do.
> My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analogl
> receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. I don't
> intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
> digital. If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV.
> --
> Dave
> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
> and todays current economical crisis.
> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages
> of
> today.
> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays'
> bad
> mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
> Lack of conscience then and now.
> President G. W. Bush- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Are you sure the wire in the house is 59? Most builders install 6
during construction. If you are bagging the satellite and figure out
where the house wire runs you might be able to use it. It might be
that one of those two wires goes directly to the tv you are using
now. The other probably goes directly to an outlet somewhere else in
the house.
------------------------

No, can't tell as the house painters spray painted the cable. Could be
either. Both cables are connected externally to what appears to be a diplex
adapter of some sort. The satellite antenna has 2 cables that connect to
that on the feed side.

No, there's only one receptacle in the house for TV connection.

Its common to split the signal (diplex), and recombine the signal at the
wall outlet (diplex). Not to be confused with diplex for splitting bands
and never reuniting them. For example one for FM radio, one for UHF TV.

After more research, yes I can use the current cabling system in the house.
Best to use a siplex splitter from TV antenna, and use both cables outside
the house for most gain. If ghosting appears, back off to one cable only.
--
Dave

Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
and todays current economical crisis.
Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages of
today.
The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays' bad
mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
Lack of conscience then and now.
President G. W. Bush

Posted by jamesgangnc on February 6, 2009, 8:31 am

"Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
> On Feb 4, 5:43 am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

>> message

>> >> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>> >>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out the
>> >>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I
>> >>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59
>> >>> cable
>> >>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through house
>> >>> entrance.
>> >>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external
>> >>> to
>> >>> the house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entrance
>> >>> the
>> >>> house connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the house
>> >>> were installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in the
>> >>> house in the wall, in the living area.
>> >>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both
>> >>> RG-59
>> >>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna,
>> >>> which
>> >>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
>> >>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could find
>> >>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Dave
>> >> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house to
>> >> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
>> >>http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS.htm
>> > PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normally
>> > best
>> > to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power back
>> > up
>> > up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners are
>> > compatible with that.

>> Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their VHF
>> channels to the UHF band when going digital. I found a website that
>> confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. So, I got a
>> UHF antenna. Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat
>> panel
>> antenna UHF/HDTV digital. MANT940.
>> I understand the siplex setup now. The antenna manual recommends going to
>> RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate for
>> length. The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.
>> I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. The power
>> supply for it is there. There is a note in the manual that the power
>> injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be installed
>> prior to any splitter or amplifier. It also says that the power injector
>> and its power supply are for indoor use only. As a result, looks like I
>> can't use the cable system already built into the house. Not exactly what
>> I
>> was looking to do.
>> My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analogl
>> receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. I
>> don't
>> intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
>> digital. If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV.
>> --
>> Dave
>> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
>> and todays current economical crisis.
>> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages
>> of
>> today.
>> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays'
>> bad
>> mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
>> Lack of conscience then and now.
>> President G. W. Bush- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -

> Are you sure the wire in the house is 59? Most builders install 6
> during construction. If you are bagging the satellite and figure out
> where the house wire runs you might be able to use it. It might be
> that one of those two wires goes directly to the tv you are using
> now. The other probably goes directly to an outlet somewhere else in
> the house.
> ------------------------
> No, can't tell as the house painters spray painted the cable. Could be
> either. Both cables are connected externally to what appears to be a
> diplex adapter of some sort. The satellite antenna has 2 cables that
> connect to that on the feed side.
> No, there's only one receptacle in the house for TV connection.
> Its common to split the signal (diplex), and recombine the signal at the
> wall outlet (diplex). Not to be confused with diplex for splitting bands
> and never reuniting them. For example one for FM radio, one for UHF TV.
> After more research, yes I can use the current cabling system in the
> house. Best to use a siplex splitter from TV antenna, and use both cables
> outside the house for most gain. If ghosting appears, back off to one
> cable only.
> --
> Dave
> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
> and todays current economical crisis.
> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages
> of today.
> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays'
> bad mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
> Lack of conscience then and now.
> President G. W. Bush

The 6 will be fatter than 59. Take a piece of 59, most of those cheap coax
patch cables are 59, and hold it next to the house cable. House cable
fatter? Then it's 6.

Keep in mind another receptacle somewhere else in the house may have a blank
wall plate over it.

There is no advantage to using two cables for the same signal. It's not
common at all. In the way old days cable ran two different bands on
separate cables. Been a long time since then. Short the cable at the tv
out by stuffing some aluminum foil in the end. Go outside with an ohm meter
and figure out which cable is the one going to the tv, it'll be shorted.
The other should be open. It's not likely that they ran two cables from a
splitter to a combiner at the other end. If, by rare chance they did, then
you would find the combiner by taking the plate off the wall at the tv end.
Or you might just find the cut off end of the second cable. No decent
installer would have buried a connection, even cable, inside a wall except
in a box.

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