Rural TV help - Page 3

Posted by Dioclese on February 7, 2009, 2:21 am

> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message

>> On Feb 4, 5:43 am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

>>> message
>>> >> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>>> >>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out the
>>> >>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I
>>> >>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59
>>> >>> cable
>>> >>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through
>>> >>> house
>>> >>> entrance.
>>> >>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> the house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entrance
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> house connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the house
>>> >>> were installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> house in the wall, in the living area.
>>> >>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both
>>> >>> RG-59
>>> >>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna,
>>> >>> which
>>> >>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
>>> >>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could find
>>> >>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Dave
>>> >> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house to
>>> >> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
>>> >>http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS.htm
>>> > PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normally
>>> > best
>>> > to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power back
>>> > up
>>> > up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners are
>>> > compatible with that.
>>> Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their
>>> VHF
>>> channels to the UHF band when going digital. I found a website that
>>> confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. So, I got
>>> a
>>> UHF antenna. Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat
>>> panel
>>> antenna UHF/HDTV digital. MANT940.
>>> I understand the siplex setup now. The antenna manual recommends going
>>> to
>>> RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate for
>>> length. The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.
>>> I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. The power
>>> supply for it is there. There is a note in the manual that the power
>>> injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be installed
>>> prior to any splitter or amplifier. It also says that the power injector
>>> and its power supply are for indoor use only. As a result, looks like I
>>> can't use the cable system already built into the house. Not exactly
>>> what I
>>> was looking to do.
>>> My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analogl
>>> receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. I
>>> don't
>>> intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
>>> digital. If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV.
>>> --
>>> Dave
>>> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
>>> and todays current economical crisis.
>>> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages
>>> of
>>> today.
>>> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays'
>>> bad
>>> mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
>>> Lack of conscience then and now.
>>> President G. W. Bush- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -

>> Are you sure the wire in the house is 59? Most builders install 6
>> during construction. If you are bagging the satellite and figure out
>> where the house wire runs you might be able to use it. It might be
>> that one of those two wires goes directly to the tv you are using
>> now. The other probably goes directly to an outlet somewhere else in
>> the house.
>> ------------------------
>> No, can't tell as the house painters spray painted the cable. Could be
>> either. Both cables are connected externally to what appears to be a
>> diplex adapter of some sort. The satellite antenna has 2 cables that
>> connect to that on the feed side.
>> No, there's only one receptacle in the house for TV connection.
>> Its common to split the signal (diplex), and recombine the signal at the
>> wall outlet (diplex). Not to be confused with diplex for splitting bands
>> and never reuniting them. For example one for FM radio, one for UHF TV.
>> After more research, yes I can use the current cabling system in the
>> house. Best to use a siplex splitter from TV antenna, and use both cables
>> outside the house for most gain. If ghosting appears, back off to one
>> cable only.
>> --
>> Dave
>> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
>> and todays current economical crisis.
>> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages
>> of today.
>> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays'
>> bad mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
>> Lack of conscience then and now.
>> President G. W. Bush

> The 6 will be fatter than 59. Take a piece of 59, most of those cheap
> coax patch cables are 59, and hold it next to the house cable. House
> cable fatter? Then it's 6.

Its 59.

> Keep in mind another receptacle somewhere else in the house may have a
> blank wall plate over it.

You're deadset in believing something that's not there..

> There is no advantage to using two cables for the same signal. It's not
> common at all. In the way old days cable ran two different bands on
> separate cables. Been a long time since then. Short the cable at the tv
> out by stuffing some aluminum foil in the end. Go outside with an ohm
> meter and figure out which cable is the one going to the tv, it'll be
> shorted. The other should be open. It's not likely that they ran two
> cables from a splitter to a combiner at the other end. If, by rare chance
> they did, then you would find the combiner by taking the plate off the
> wall at the tv end. Or you might just find the cut off end of the second
> cable. No decent installer would have buried a connection, even cable,
> inside a wall except in a box.

One band/one cable interface, 2 cables on the satellite antenna. Its more
than one antenna. Doesn't matter on the satellite decoder box end what
band. The satellite antenna sends and receives. I can't draw you a better
picture than that.
--
Dave

Posted by on February 9, 2009, 12:41 pm

On Feb 7, 2:21=A0am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

> > "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message

> >> On Feb 4, 5:43 am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:
> >>> message
> >>> >> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
> >>> >>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out =

the

> >>> >>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I
> >>> >>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-5=

> >>> >>> cable
> >>> >>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through
> >>> >>> house
> >>> >>> entrance.
> >>> >>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box exter=

nal

> >>> >>> to
> >>> >>> the house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entran=

> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> house connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the hou=

> >>> >>> were installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> house in the wall, in the living area.
> >>> >>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or bot=

> >>> >>> RG-59
> >>> >>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna=

> >>> >>> which
> >>> >>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
> >>> >>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could fi=

> >>> >>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
> >>> >>> --
> >>> >>> Dave
> >>> >> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house t=

> >>> >> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
> >>> >>http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS=

.htm

> >>> > PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normal=

> >>> > best
> >>> > to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power ba=

> >>> > up
> >>> > up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners a=

> >>> > compatible with that.
> >>> Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their
> >>> VHF
> >>> channels to the UHF band when going digital. I found a website that
> >>> confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. So, I g=

> >>> a
> >>> UHF antenna. Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat
> >>> panel
> >>> antenna UHF/HDTV digital. MANT940.
> >>> I understand the siplex setup now. The antenna manual recommends goin=

> >>> to
> >>> RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate fo=

> >>> length. The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.
> >>> I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. The power
> >>> supply for it is there. There is a note in the manual that the power
> >>> injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be instal=

led

> >>> prior to any splitter or amplifier. It also says that the power injec=

tor

> >>> and its power supply are for indoor use only. As a result, looks like=

> >>> can't use the cable system already built into the house. Not exactly
> >>> what I
> >>> was looking to do.
> >>> My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analo=

> >>> receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. I
> >>> don't
> >>> intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
> >>> digital. If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV=

> >>> --
> >>> Dave
> >>> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
> >>> and todays current economical crisis.
> >>> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortga=

ges

> >>> of
> >>> today.
> >>> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of toda=

ys'

> >>> bad
> >>> mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
> >>> Lack of conscience then and now.
> >>> President G. W. Bush- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> Are you sure the wire in the house is 59? =A0Most builders install 6
> >> during construction. =A0If you are bagging the satellite and figure ou=

> >> where the house wire runs you might be able to use it. =A0It might be
> >> that one of those two wires goes directly to the tv you are using
> >> now. =A0The other probably goes directly to an outlet somewhere else i=

> >> the house.
> >> ------------------------
> >> No, can't tell as the house painters spray painted the cable. =A0Could=

> >> either. =A0Both cables are connected externally to what appears to be =

> >> diplex adapter of some sort. =A0The satellite antenna has 2 cables tha=

> >> connect to that on the feed side.
> >> No, there's only one receptacle in the house for TV connection.
> >> Its common to split the signal (diplex), and recombine the signal at t=

> >> wall outlet (diplex). =A0Not to be confused with diplex for splitting =

bands

> >> and never reuniting them. =A0For example one for FM radio, one for UHF=

TV.

> >> After more research, yes I can use the current cabling system in the
> >> house. Best to use a siplex splitter from TV antenna, and use both cab=

les

> >> outside the house for most gain. =A0If ghosting appears, back off to o=

> >> cable only.
> >> --
> >> Dave
> >> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
> >> and todays current economical crisis.
> >> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgag=

> >> of today.
> >> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of today=

> >> bad mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
> >> Lack of conscience then and now.
> >> President G. W. Bush

> > The 6 will be fatter than 59. =A0Take a piece of 59, most of those chea=

> > coax patch cables are 59, and hold it next to the house cable. =A0House
> > cable fatter? =A0Then it's 6.

> Its 59.

> > Keep in mind another receptacle somewhere else in the house may have a
> > blank wall plate over it.

> You're deadset in believing something that's not there..

> > There is no advantage to using two cables for the same signal. =A0It's =

not

> > common at all. =A0In the way old days cable ran two different bands on
> > separate cables. =A0Been a long time since then. =A0Short the cable at =

the tv

> > out by stuffing some aluminum foil in the end. =A0Go outside with an oh=

> > meter and figure out which cable is the one going to the tv, it'll be
> > shorted. The other should be open. =A0It's not likely that they ran two
> > cables from a splitter to a combiner at the other end. =A0If, by rare c=

hance

> > they did, then you would find the combiner by taking the plate off the
> > wall at the tv end. Or you might just find the cut off end of the secon=

> > cable. =A0No decent installer would have buried a connection, even cabl=

> > inside a wall except in a box.

> One band/one cable interface, 2 cables on the satellite antenna. =A0Its m=

ore

> than one antenna. =A0Doesn't matter on the satellite decoder box end what
> band. =A0The satellite antenna sends and receives. =A0I can't draw you a =

better

> picture than that.
> --
> Dave- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Then you might as well bag the existing wiring. You want 6, not 59.
For best results run 6 from your new antenna to the tv.

Posted by Steve Barker on February 6, 2009, 9:04 am

Dioclese wrote:

> On Feb 4, 5:43 am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

>> message

>>>> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>>>>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out the
>>>>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I
>>>>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59
>>>>> cable
>>>>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through house
>>>>> entrance.
>>>>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external
>>>>> to
>>>>> the house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entrance
>>>>> the
>>>>> house connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the house
>>>>> were installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in the
>>>>> house in the wall, in the living area.
>>>>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both
>>>>> RG-59
>>>>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna,
>>>>> which
>>>>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
>>>>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could find
>>>>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dave
>>>> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house to
>>>> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
>>>> http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS.htm
>>> PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normally
>>> best
>>> to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power back up
>>> up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners are
>>> compatible with that.

>> Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their VHF
>> channels to the UHF band when going digital. I found a website that
>> confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. So, I got a
>> UHF antenna. Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat panel
>> antenna UHF/HDTV digital. MANT940.
>> I understand the siplex setup now. The antenna manual recommends going to
>> RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate for
>> length. The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.
>> I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. The power
>> supply for it is there. There is a note in the manual that the power
>> injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be installed
>> prior to any splitter or amplifier. It also says that the power injector
>> and its power supply are for indoor use only. As a result, looks like I
>> can't use the cable system already built into the house. Not exactly what
>> I
>> was looking to do.
>> My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analogl
>> receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. I don't
>> intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
>> digital. If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV.
>> --
>> Dave
>> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
>> and todays current economical crisis.
>> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages
>> of
>> today.
>> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays'
>> bad
>> mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
>> Lack of conscience then and now.
>> President G. W. Bush- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Are you sure the wire in the house is 59? Most builders install 6
> during construction. If you are bagging the satellite and figure out
> where the house wire runs you might be able to use it. It might be
> that one of those two wires goes directly to the tv you are using
> now. The other probably goes directly to an outlet somewhere else in
> the house.
> ------------------------
>
> No, can't tell as the house painters spray painted the cable. Could be
> either. Both cables are connected externally to what appears to be a diplex
> adapter of some sort. The satellite antenna has 2 cables that connect to
> that on the feed side.
>
> No, there's only one receptacle in the house for TV connection.
>
> Its common to split the signal (diplex), and recombine the signal at the
> wall outlet (diplex). Not to be confused with diplex for splitting bands
> and never reuniting them. For example one for FM radio, one for UHF TV.
>
> After more research, yes I can use the current cabling system in the house.
> Best to use a siplex splitter from TV antenna, and use both cables outside
> the house for most gain. If ghosting appears, back off to one cable only.

there's a big obvious difference between 6 and 59 even with the paint.

s

Posted by Dioclese on February 7, 2009, 2:13 am

> Dioclese wrote:

>> On Feb 4, 5:43 am, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

>>> message
>>>>> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>>>>>> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out the
>>>>>> mast height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I
>>>>>> haven't found via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59
>>>>>> cable
>>>>>> from the TV antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through house
>>>>>> entrance.
>>>>>> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entrance
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> house connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the house
>>>>>> were installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in the
>>>>>> house in the wall, in the living area.
>>>>>> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both
>>>>>> RG-59
>>>>>> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> has one/singular RG-59 cable..
>>>>>> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could find
>>>>>> without going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>> I believe you want one of these where the cable enters the house to
>>>>> combine the signal and another inside to split it again...
>>>>> http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/SATELLITE_DIPLEXERS_and_SPLITTERS.htm
>>>> PS: If your DTV antenna needs any kind of amplification it's normally
>>>> best
>>>> to put this amplifier at the mast head. If you need to run power back
>>>> up
>>>> up the coax cable to powre the amp, check the splitters.combiners are
>>>> compatible with that.
>>> Most of the research I've done says the broadcasters are moving their
>>> VHF
>>> channels to the UHF band when going digital. I found a website that
>>> confirms that with most of the broadcast channels in my area. So, I got
>>> a
>>> UHF antenna. Box description: Phillips indoor/outdoor amplified flat
>>> panel
>>> antenna UHF/HDTV digital. MANT940.
>>> I understand the siplex setup now. The antenna manual recommends going
>>> to
>>> RG-6 quad shield if the RG-59 20 foot cable supplied is inadequate for
>>> length. The mast I'm using is 30 feet in length.
>>> I see the noted power injector in the MANT940 shipping box. The power
>>> supply for it is there. There is a note in the manual that the power
>>> injector (powers the amplifier section in the antenna) must be installed
>>> prior to any splitter or amplifier. It also says that the power injector
>>> and its power supply are for indoor use only. As a result, looks like I
>>> can't use the cable system already built into the house. Not exactly
>>> what I
>>> was looking to do.
>>> My end intention is to connect all this up to an RCA digital to analogl
>>> receiver, then connect audio/video out to my stereo system and TV. I
>>> don't
>>> intend to power it all up until broadcasters are using full power for
>>> digital. If I'm satisfied, I'm discontinuing satellite service for TV.
>>> --
>>> Dave
>>> Similarities between Enron originated money crisis
>>> and todays current economical crisis.
>>> Same banks too big to fail that invested in Enron then and bad mortgages
>>> of
>>> today.
>>> The mindset of Enron keeping its false books, and the mindset of todays'
>>> bad
>>> mortgage balance sheets before all was exposed.
>>> Lack of conscience then and now.
>>> President G. W. Bush- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -

> there's a big obvious difference between 6 and 59 even with the paint.
> s

If so, must be RG-59. Messed with that alot when I ran in-apartment network
for PCs in 2 apartments I was in.
--
Dave

Posted by Voyager on February 3, 2009, 8:41 pm

Dioclese wrote:

> Tired of paying for free broadcast TV via satellite. Figured out the mast
> height, the antenna I need for DTV and so forth. One thing I haven't found
> via the web is how I'm supposed to connect the RG-59 cable from the TV
> antenna to the RG-59 dual cables that route through house entrance.
>
> The satellite receiver has two such cables that go to a box external to the
> house. On the lower side of the box, the 2 cables that entrance the house
> connect to that. Those 2 RG-59 cables that entrance the house were
> installed by the builder. There is only one TV connection in the house in
> the wall, in the living area.
>
> Basically what I'm trying to do is utilize the current one or both RG-59
> cables inside the house to connect to the new external TV antenna, which has
> one/singular RG-59 cable..
>
> May not be specific to this newsgroup, I know. Closest I could find without
> going to web-based hosting of newsgroups.

It is very important that you properly ground an outside antenna. This
is one of the better information sources available.

http://www.pctinternational.com/channelmaster/0612/pdfs/guide_AntennaInstallation.pdf

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