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Sealing kickboard molding? SparkyGuy 06-19-2009
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Posted by PeterD on June 20, 2009, 9:34 am
wrote:

>In a fully-insulated home in N. California SF Bay Area (very temperate
>climes) is it common to seal the back side as well as the front of kickboard
>molding? The owner is insisting that the back side be sealed also with
>organic varnish or polyurethane.
>Recommendations?
>Thanks.

If the owner insists, and the owner is willing to pay for it, thne why
not?

Posted by Dioclese on June 20, 2009, 9:37 am
> In a fully-insulated home in N. California SF Bay Area (very temperate
> climes) is it common to seal the back side as well as the front of
> kickboard
> molding? The owner is insisting that the back side be sealed also with
> organic varnish or polyurethane.
> Recommendations?
> Thanks.

Do you mean a molding as in "baseboard"?
If you don't have carpet, you can seal the bottom with silicon caulk after
its nailed up. The top can always be caulked.

Believe the idea behind using varnish or polyurethane is to keep wet rot
down if you spill something, and the spill affects the back of the
baseboard. The sheetrock doesn't touch the floor behind the baseboard.
This creates a cavity just waiting for a spill to happen, and hold that
spill for a long time until it finally dissipates. This also affects the
sole plate if its not PT.
--
Dave



Posted by benick on June 20, 2009, 6:54 pm

"Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>> In a fully-insulated home in N. California SF Bay Area (very temperate
>> climes) is it common to seal the back side as well as the front of
>> kickboard
>> molding? The owner is insisting that the back side be sealed also with
>> organic varnish or polyurethane.
>> Recommendations?
>> Thanks.
> Do you mean a molding as in "baseboard"?
> If you don't have carpet, you can seal the bottom with silicon caulk after
> its nailed up. The top can always be caulked.
> Believe the idea behind using varnish or polyurethane is to keep wet rot
> down if you spill something, and the spill affects the back of the
> baseboard. The sheetrock doesn't touch the floor behind the baseboard.
> This creates a cavity just waiting for a spill to happen, and hold that
> spill for a long time until it finally dissipates. This also affects the
> sole plate if its not PT.
> --
> Dave
HUH ??? That's quite a spill if it rots out the floor and baseboard..You
would have to spill alot repeatedly in the SAME spot for several years for
that to happen....Sounds as if the owner is a PITA to me...I HOPE you had a
contract spelling out the work or are working time and materials...If not
you're in for quite a ride....The owner is full of shit....IMHO...


Posted by Dioclese on June 21, 2009, 8:33 am
> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>>> In a fully-insulated home in N. California SF Bay Area (very temperate
>>> climes) is it common to seal the back side as well as the front of
>>> kickboard
>>> molding? The owner is insisting that the back side be sealed also with
>>> organic varnish or polyurethane.
>>> Recommendations?
>>> Thanks.
>> Do you mean a molding as in "baseboard"?
>> If you don't have carpet, you can seal the bottom with silicon caulk
>> after its nailed up. The top can always be caulked.
>> Believe the idea behind using varnish or polyurethane is to keep wet rot
>> down if you spill something, and the spill affects the back of the
>> baseboard. The sheetrock doesn't touch the floor behind the baseboard.
>> This creates a cavity just waiting for a spill to happen, and hold that
>> spill for a long time until it finally dissipates. This also affects the
>> sole plate if its not PT.
>> --
>> Dave
> HUH ??? That's quite a spill if it rots out the floor and baseboard..You
> would have to spill alot repeatedly in the SAME spot for several years for
> that to happen....

This is common in bathrooms, especially in older homes. May be throughout
the house if a flood occurs, but never goes beyond baseboard height.
Similar in a water heater closet with a water heater burst. A leaky
built-in dishwasher can do similar behind the dishwasher. A leaky sink
faucet at its base can do the same. Commonly, its due to a very slight gap
between the baseboard and floor. There is no baseboard in the last 2 items
mentioned though. Water accumulates between the baseboard and sole plate.
The backside of the baseboard wicks the water and may transfer some of it to
the sheetrock. If the house has a subfloor with plywood covering, its
common for that plywood to take on that water as well. If the floor is
covered with carpet, water rot may attack the underlayment.
--
Dave



Posted by benick on June 21, 2009, 10:41 am

"Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>> "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote in message
>>>> In a fully-insulated home in N. California SF Bay Area (very temperate
>>>> climes) is it common to seal the back side as well as the front of
>>>> kickboard
>>>> molding? The owner is insisting that the back side be sealed also with
>>>> organic varnish or polyurethane.
>>>> Recommendations?
>>>> Thanks.
>>> Do you mean a molding as in "baseboard"?
>>> If you don't have carpet, you can seal the bottom with silicon caulk
>>> after its nailed up. The top can always be caulked.
>>> Believe the idea behind using varnish or polyurethane is to keep wet rot
>>> down if you spill something, and the spill affects the back of the
>>> baseboard. The sheetrock doesn't touch the floor behind the baseboard.
>>> This creates a cavity just waiting for a spill to happen, and hold that
>>> spill for a long time until it finally dissipates. This also affects
>>> the sole plate if its not PT.
>>> --
>>> Dave
>> HUH ??? That's quite a spill if it rots out the floor and baseboard..You
>> would have to spill alot repeatedly in the SAME spot for several years
>> for that to happen....
> This is common in bathrooms, especially in older homes. May be throughout
> the house if a flood occurs, but never goes beyond baseboard height.
> Similar in a water heater closet with a water heater burst. A leaky
> built-in dishwasher can do similar behind the dishwasher. A leaky sink
> faucet at its base can do the same. Commonly, its due to a very slight
> gap between the baseboard and floor. There is no baseboard in the last 2
> items mentioned though. Water accumulates between the baseboard and sole
> plate. The backside of the baseboard wicks the water and may transfer some
> of it to the sheetrock. If the house has a subfloor with plywood
> covering, its common for that plywood to take on that water as well. If
> the floor is covered with carpet, water rot may attack the underlayment.
> --
> Dave

That may be true Dave but what the hell does that have to do with requiring
the painter to seal the back side of the baseboard..With the leaks NOT
spills you mention sealing the baseboard won't do diddly squat...You'll have
ALOT more to be concerned about then the back side of the baseboard being
painted...As I said the homeowner is a PITA and is full of it....But thanks
for throwing the Red Herring into the discussion...


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