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Second Furnace in Attic? 2LeftThumbs via HomeKB.com 10-02-2007
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Posted by 2LeftThumbs via HomeKB.com on October 2, 2007, 7:31 pm
I recently bought a house which was built in 1924 and has been added onto and
remodelled at various times since. It is in Northern California where air
conditioning is unnecessary but heat sure comes in handy sometimes.

The house is about 3400 square feet, two story with an attic and a partial
basement and crawlspace under the rest. It has a relatively recently
installed gas forced air furnace in the basement which is in good shape, and
ducts which run from it through the basement and crawlspace to the ground
floor rooms. There are NO ducts or registers on the second floor. This was
apprently common practice around here when the house was originally built -
some heat would find its way upstairs, and that was considered enough back in
the day. I expect its going to get pretty frosty by modern standards
upstairs.

Question is what can I do about it and how much will it cost me. Obvious
solution is to put a second furnace in the attic. There is good headroom and
access up there so this should be feasable. Ducts fom the furnace to the
area above each upstairs room should be pretty straightforward, but it gets
complicated after that. Running ducts from the ceiling to the basebords will
not be easy. It would be easy to put registers in the ceiling, but, as some
have previously pointed out, heat rises, so ceiling registers will presumably
give us toasty ears and frozen toes, and when in bed we will not get much
heat at all. And even if I just put registers in the ceiling, I would need
to put returns lower and put ducts in for them.

Do I have to suck it up and just open up walls for ducts? Each bedroom has
pretty good sized closet, maybe I could just run ducts inside those? Even
though this would not result in ideal register placement, it would probably
be better than ceiling registers and wouldn't require much tear up.

Anyone have experience with the 2 inch flexible ducts designed to be used
with high pressure fan systems? Suppossedly you can fish them through wall
cavities like romex.

Any other ideas? Advice on holding down costs?

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Posted by Craig M on October 3, 2007, 7:33 am
Down here in texas we use ceiling vents for A/C and heating, we do use heat
less then A/C but what we also do is use the ceiling fans on the reverse
setting, on low speed, it pushes the heat down to the floor of the room,
does seem to work pretty good.
One other option may be basebord heat, if you have room for a boiler and can
fish the pex tubing up to the 2nd floor, lots of work, extra equiment, but
will have heat down near the floor, and I agree, floor regestairs for heat
makes sense, but its not done a lot due to the extra work, even in new
construction it dont seem to be done a lot.
Hope this gives you some ideas
C

>I recently bought a house which was built in 1924 and has been added onto
>and
> remodelled at various times since. It is in Northern California where air
> conditioning is unnecessary but heat sure comes in handy sometimes.
>
> The house is about 3400 square feet, two story with an attic and a partial
> basement and crawlspace under the rest. It has a relatively recently
> installed gas forced air furnace in the basement which is in good shape,
> and
> ducts which run from it through the basement and crawlspace to the ground
> floor rooms. There are NO ducts or registers on the second floor. This
> was
> apprently common practice around here when the house was originally
> built -
> some heat would find its way upstairs, and that was considered enough back
> in
> the day. I expect its going to get pretty frosty by modern standards
> upstairs.
>
> Question is what can I do about it and how much will it cost me. Obvious
> solution is to put a second furnace in the attic. There is good headroom
> and
> access up there so this should be feasable. Ducts fom the furnace to the
> area above each upstairs room should be pretty straightforward, but it
> gets
> complicated after that. Running ducts from the ceiling to the basebords
> will
> not be easy. It would be easy to put registers in the ceiling, but, as
> some
> have previously pointed out, heat rises, so ceiling registers will
> presumably
> give us toasty ears and frozen toes, and when in bed we will not get much
> heat at all. And even if I just put registers in the ceiling, I would
> need
> to put returns lower and put ducts in for them.
>
> Do I have to suck it up and just open up walls for ducts? Each bedroom
> has
> pretty good sized closet, maybe I could just run ducts inside those? Even
> though this would not result in ideal register placement, it would
> probably
> be better than ceiling registers and wouldn't require much tear up.
>
> Anyone have experience with the 2 inch flexible ducts designed to be used
> with high pressure fan systems? Suppossedly you can fish them through
> wall
> cavities like romex.
>
> Any other ideas? Advice on holding down costs?
>
> --
> Message posted via HomeKB.com
> http://www.homekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/construction/200710/1
>



Posted by Steve on October 3, 2007, 7:45 am
alt.building.construction:

> I recently bought a house which was built in 1924 and has been added
> onto and remodelled at various times since. It is in Northern
> California where air conditioning is unnecessary but heat sure comes
> in handy sometimes.
>
> The house is about 3400 square feet, two story with an attic and a
> partial basement and crawlspace under the rest. It has a relatively
> recently installed gas forced air furnace in the basement which is in
> good shape, and ducts which run from it through the basement and
> crawlspace to the ground floor rooms. There are NO ducts or
> registers on the second floor. This was apprently common practice
> around here when the house was originally built - some heat would
> find its way upstairs, and that was considered enough back in the
> day. I expect its going to get pretty frosty by modern standards
> upstairs.
>
> Question is what can I do about it and how much will it cost me.
> Obvious solution is to put a second furnace in the attic. There is
> good headroom and access up there so this should be feasable. Ducts
> fom the furnace to the area above each upstairs room should be pretty
> straightforward, but it gets complicated after that. Running ducts
> from the ceiling to the basebords will not be easy. It would be easy
> to put registers in the ceiling, but, as some have previously pointed
> out, heat rises, so ceiling registers will presumably give us toasty
> ears and frozen toes, and when in bed we will not get much heat at
> all. And even if I just put registers in the ceiling, I would need
> to put returns lower and put ducts in for them.
>
> Do I have to suck it up and just open up walls for ducts? Each
> bedroom has pretty good sized closet, maybe I could just run ducts
> inside those? Even though this would not result in ideal register
> placement, it would probably be better than ceiling registers and
> wouldn't require much tear up.
>
> Anyone have experience with the 2 inch flexible ducts designed to be
> used with high pressure fan systems? Suppossedly you can fish them
> through wall cavities like romex.
>
> Any other ideas? Advice on holding down costs?

I don't know how they built houses back then, but you may be able to
just open up the top plate and use a stud bay as a duct. Cut a hole in
the top plate, cut a hole in the wall near the floor, hook a duct to the
hole at the top, and Bob's your uncle.

If you have fire blocking in the middle, things get tougher.
It's California, so local code could say anything.
Only works for interior, non-load-bearing walls.
--
Steve B.
New Life Home Improvement

Posted by Glenn on October 3, 2007, 11:19 am

> I don't know how they built houses back then, but you
> may be able to
> just open up the top plate and use a stud bay as a
> duct. Cut a hole in
> the top plate, cut a hole in the wall near the floor,
> hook a duct to the
> hole at the top, and Bob's your uncle.


No No No. You can use a wall cavity space for return
air but never for supply from a furnace. That is
unless the house is too old and your fire insurance is
paid up.


Posted by Glenn on October 3, 2007, 11:45 am
PS. Not to mention that with lath and plaster, the
connection of the stud to the wall would be a sieve and
most of the air induced there would filter out the
adjacent spaces and finally be lost because a 1924
house isn't that tight.


>
>> I don't know how they built houses back then, but
>> you may be able to
>> just open up the top plate and use a stud bay as a
>> duct. Cut a hole in
>> the top plate, cut a hole in the wall near the
>> floor, hook a duct to the
>> hole at the top, and Bob's your uncle.
>
>
> No No No. You can use a wall cavity space for return
> air but never for supply from a furnace. That is
> unless the house is too old and your fire insurance
> is paid up.


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