Septic question for Dave Jeeves or others

Posted by Dioclese on April 23, 2009, 4:45 pm

>> This is called a "grey water" system, and works wonderful except that it
>> is not an approved system by the county......at least here.....

>>> on 4/23/2009 12:45 AM (ET) Steve Barker wrote the following:
>>>> v8z wrote:
>>>>> We're building a new house - 2500 sq ft., 4 bedrooms, 4 occupants.
>>>>> The county in Ohio where I live set requirements as 1000 gallon scrap
>>>>> tank and 1000 gallon ATU, output gravity feed to 1200 lineal feet of
>>>>> Evapotranspiration (ET) trenches.
>>>>> An annual pumping requirement is probably tied to kick-backs, but
>>>>> there's no way to avoid that expense. However, I've been told that
>>>>> you cannot discharge water conditioning brine into the septic, nor can
>>>>> you discharge it to the sump / foundation drains / daylight, and was
>>>>> given a list of subscription brine haulers.......county's argument was
>>>>> that the salt can harm the septic tank.
>>>>> I've spoken with several builders and water conditioning folks, and
>>>>> the common reply is to wait until the system is inspected, THEN
>>>>> install the conditioning and drain into the septic. My dad has been
>>>>> doing this for 25+ years in rural New York and has never had a
>>>>> problem. Any research, data, or personal experiences as to why I
>>>>> shouldn't go that way?
>>>> option #2. Don't have a softner.
>>> Option #3. Install a separate dry well for "grey water".
>>> All my sinks, bath and shower, and dishwasher drain into a dry well
>>> separate from the septic tank and fields.
>>> When I had a water softener installed, it too drained into the dry well.

> Option 2 - could do without a softener, but we have to have a flushable
> iron / hydrogen sulfide filter.
> Option 3 - same prohibition of grey water systems here.

Whoa, trigger. Hydrogen sulfide is a gas. There is no filter for it.
Well water with hydrogen sulfide gas can be percolated in an aerator bottle.
The results of the bottle flushed every 24 hours is common. I have such a
system, and the contents are flushed into a large french drain. The live
oak trees, St.Augustine grass, and native vegetation don't seem to have a
problem with this watered down sulbfuric acid in the native alkali soil.
The aeration creates ozone, which in turn, creates sulfuric acid from the
process. The maganese dioxide method is similar to tossing alkali batteries
in the septic system..
--
Dave

Posted by dlzc on April 23, 2009, 5:32 pm

Dear Dioclese:

On Apr 23, 1:45=A0pm, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:

...

> > Option 2 - could do without a softener, but we have
> > to have a flushable iron / hydrogen sulfide filter.
> > Option 3 - same prohibition of grey water systems here.

> Whoa, trigger. =A0Hydrogen sulfide is a gas. =A0There is
> no filter for it. Well water with hydrogen sulfide gas
> can be percolated in an aerator bottle. The results
> of the bottle flushed every 24 hours is common. =A0I
> have such a system, and the contents are flushed
> into a large french drain. =A0The live oak trees, St.
> Augustine grass, and native vegetation don't seem
> to have a problem with this watered down sulbfuric
> acid

It actually oxidizes all the way to sulfate, fairly quickly.

> in the native alkali soil. The aeration creates ozone,
> which in turn, creates sulfuric acid from the
> process.

... sulfate.

> =A0The maganese dioxide method is similar to tossing
> alkali batteries in the septic system..

Well, unless you periodically / continually reoxidize the media...
which is the point.

David A. Smith

Posted by benick on April 23, 2009, 10:49 pm

> We're building a new house - 2500 sq ft., 4 bedrooms, 4 occupants. The
> county in Ohio where I live set requirements as 1000 gallon scrap tank and
> 1000 gallon ATU, output gravity feed to 1200 lineal feet of
> Evapotranspiration (ET) trenches.
> An annual pumping requirement is probably tied to kick-backs, but there's
> no way to avoid that expense. However, I've been told that you cannot
> discharge water conditioning brine into the septic, nor can you discharge
> it to the sump / foundation drains / daylight, and was given a list of
> subscription brine haulers.......county's argument was that the salt can
> harm the septic tank.
> I've spoken with several builders and water conditioning folks, and the
> common reply is to wait until the system is inspected, THEN install the
> conditioning and drain into the septic. My dad has been doing this for
> 25+ years in rural New York and has never had a problem. Any research,
> data, or personal experiences as to why I shouldn't go that way?

My water softener/filter system drains into septic as well as MANY others
I've seen...Washing machine as well...No problems...Grey water systems are
illegal in Maine as well.....

Posted by Tom Oska on May 9, 2009, 4:11 pm

Install an aeration system.

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