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Shed roof over porch cavedweller 02-22-2009
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Posted by cavedweller on February 23, 2009, 9:53 am
> On Feb 23, 7:33=A0am, jamesgan...@gmail.com wrote:
ctually be a better solution than tagging on the brick
> > > > veneer. =A0I assume the mansard is covered in a roofing material
> > > > like 3 tab shingles. =A0Open the soffit and take the porch rafters
> > > > all the way back to the stud wall if possible, even cutting them
> > > > to bear on the double plate. =A0This would allow a good flashing
> > > > solution from the existing mansard to the new flat roof. =A0It will
> > > > probably require removing one or two courses of mansard shingles
> > > > to insure a real good tie-in and a premium flat roof material.
> > > 24" cedar shakes with 10" exposure. =A03' heavy felt at the bottom of
> > > the mansard
> > > over the plywood sheathing. =A0All courses interleaved with 15# paper
> > > all the way to
> > > the top. =A0I can get flashing up under the first course to the first
> > > nailing line, which
> > > would be 10" plus a couple. =A0I don't want to touch the shakes.
> > > You understand that I'm talking about the new porch roof joists
> > > sitting directly beneath
> > > the lookout 2x10s...not beside them? =A0The bricks reach as high as t=
he
> > > top of the double
> > > plate in the first floor wall so it would be difficult to get to the
> > > top plate. =A0Besides, the
> > > lookouts already sit on. and are attached to, the top plate and exten=
d
> > > into the house to
> > > the next partition wall about 14' away.
> > > I want the roof deck to end up just an inch below the drip edge on th=
e
> > > mansard.
> > Why not go ahead and cut the existing roof back and join the new roof
> > directly to it? =A0Sounds like it would give you a little more headroom
> > as well.
> Gee, I guess there really is a lot wrong with the clarity of my first
> post and with the second as well. =A0I asked about hanging joists from
> some lookout joists with appropriate hardware....do you know of such
> hardware?

Just to clarify....the mansard is a fake. The real second floor wall
is framed directly over the lower floor wall. The mansard studding is
tapered 2x4s scabbed to the real wall studs at the top and with a
bottom plate nailed to the second floor subfloor at the lookout header.

Posted by on February 23, 2009, 12:26 pm
> On Feb 23, 7:33=A0am, jamesgan...@gmail.com wrote:
ctually be a better solution than tagging on the brick
> > > > veneer. =A0I assume the mansard is covered in a roofing material
> > > > like 3 tab shingles. =A0Open the soffit and take the porch rafters
> > > > all the way back to the stud wall if possible, even cutting them
> > > > to bear on the double plate. =A0This would allow a good flashing
> > > > solution from the existing mansard to the new flat roof. =A0It will
> > > > probably require removing one or two courses of mansard shingles
> > > > to insure a real good tie-in and a premium flat roof material.
> > > 24" cedar shakes with 10" exposure. =A03' heavy felt at the bottom of
> > > the mansard
> > > over the plywood sheathing. =A0All courses interleaved with 15# paper
> > > all the way to
> > > the top. =A0I can get flashing up under the first course to the first
> > > nailing line, which
> > > would be 10" plus a couple. =A0I don't want to touch the shakes.
> > > You understand that I'm talking about the new porch roof joists
> > > sitting directly beneath
> > > the lookout 2x10s...not beside them? =A0The bricks reach as high as t=
he
> > > top of the double
> > > plate in the first floor wall so it would be difficult to get to the
> > > top plate. =A0Besides, the
> > > lookouts already sit on. and are attached to, the top plate and exten=
d
> > > into the house to
> > > the next partition wall about 14' away.
> > > I want the roof deck to end up just an inch below the drip edge on th=
e
> > > mansard.
> > Why not go ahead and cut the existing roof back and join the new roof
> > directly to it? =A0Sounds like it would give you a little more headroom
> > as well.
> Gee, I guess there really is a lot wrong with the clarity of my first
> post and with the second as well. =A0I asked about hanging joists from
> some lookout joists with appropriate hardware....do you know of such
> hardware?- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Nope, but you could probably use some really long joist hangers if you
can find some. Really need to use 2x8s? I ask because it might be be
easier to find a joist hanger long enough if you used 2x6s. Probably
not code either but if you're not on the coast it's be ok.

Posted by cavedweller on February 23, 2009, 1:04 pm
On Feb 23, 12:26=A0pm, jamesgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 23, 7:33=A0am, jamesgan...@gmail.com wrote:
actually be a better solution than tagging on the brick
> > > > > veneer. =A0I assume the mansard is covered in a roofing material
> > > > > like 3 tab shingles. =A0Open the soffit and take the porch rafter=
s
> > > > > all the way back to the stud wall if possible, even cutting them
> > > > > to bear on the double plate. =A0This would allow a good flashing
> > > > > solution from the existing mansard to the new flat roof. =A0It wi=
ll
> > > > > probably require removing one or two courses of mansard shingles
> > > > > to insure a real good tie-in and a premium flat roof material.
> > > > 24" cedar shakes with 10" exposure. =A03' heavy felt at the bottom =
of
> > > > the mansard
> > > > over the plywood sheathing. =A0All courses interleaved with 15# pap=
er
> > > > all the way to
> > > > the top. =A0I can get flashing up under the first course to the fir=
st
> > > > nailing line, which
> > > > would be 10" plus a couple. =A0I don't want to touch the shakes.
> > > > You understand that I'm talking about the new porch roof joists
> > > > sitting directly beneath
> > > > the lookout 2x10s...not beside them? =A0The bricks reach as high as=
the
> > > > top of the double
> > > > plate in the first floor wall so it would be difficult to get to th=
e
> > > > top plate. =A0Besides, the
> > > > lookouts already sit on. and are attached to, the top plate and ext=
end
> > > > into the house to
> > > > the next partition wall about 14' away.
> > > > I want the roof deck to end up just an inch below the drip edge on =
the
> > > > mansard.
> > > Why not go ahead and cut the existing roof back and join the new roof
> > > directly to it? =A0Sounds like it would give you a little more headro=
om
> > > as well.
> > Gee, I guess there really is a lot wrong with the clarity of my first
> > post and with the second as well. =A0I asked about hanging joists from
> > some lookout joists with appropriate hardware....do you know of such
> > hardware?- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> Nope, but you could probably use some really long joist hangers if you
> can find some. =A0Really need to use 2x8s? =A0I ask because it might be b=
e
> easier to find a joist hanger long enough if you used 2x6s. =A0Probably
> not code either but if you're not on the coast it's be ok.- Hide quoted t=
ext -
> - Show quoted text -

Actually, the reason I was thinking 2x8 was that then I could taper
the end that would fit up flush to the lookout joist at an angle to
give me the proper roof slope.
I'll have to sketch it up with actual sizes to see but I was thinking
that hangers for 2x12 could be used...I just didn't want to miss
something that some of the hardware manufactures might have conjured
up for something like this.
I just hate to start trying to set anchors in my bricks....the bricks
are quite hard, I know how much Portland cement was added to the
mortar, and I can see all sorts of grief coming from hammer drilling
up so close to the top...and for what....so I can use some joist
hangers on a ledger and be to code?
If all else fails, I'll sketch it up and take it in to the building
dept. guys and see what they say....I'll use an assumed name.
The other option (and it's looking better all the time) is to use an
insulated aluminum panel roof of the type used for manufactured
sunrooms...light, strong, and easy to do.
Thanks.

Posted by on February 23, 2009, 1:15 pm
> On Feb 23, 12:26=A0pm, jamesgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Feb 23, 7:33=A0am, jamesgan...@gmail.com wrote:
ld actually be a better solution than tagging on the brick
> > > > > > veneer. =A0I assume the mansard is covered in a roofing materia=
l
> > > > > > like 3 tab shingles. =A0Open the soffit and take the porch raft=
ers
> > > > > > all the way back to the stud wall if possible, even cutting the=
m
> > > > > > to bear on the double plate. =A0This would allow a good flashin=
g
> > > > > > solution from the existing mansard to the new flat roof. =A0It =
will
> > > > > > probably require removing one or two courses of mansard shingle=
s
> > > > > > to insure a real good tie-in and a premium flat roof material.
> > > > > 24" cedar shakes with 10" exposure. =A03' heavy felt at the botto=
m of
> > > > > the mansard
> > > > > over the plywood sheathing. =A0All courses interleaved with 15# p=
aper
> > > > > all the way to
> > > > > the top. =A0I can get flashing up under the first course to the f=
irst
> > > > > nailing line, which
> > > > > would be 10" plus a couple. =A0I don't want to touch the shakes.
> > > > > You understand that I'm talking about the new porch roof joists
> > > > > sitting directly beneath
> > > > > the lookout 2x10s...not beside them? =A0The bricks reach as high =
as the
> > > > > top of the double
> > > > > plate in the first floor wall so it would be difficult to get to =
the
> > > > > top plate. =A0Besides, the
> > > > > lookouts already sit on. and are attached to, the top plate and e=
xtend
> > > > > into the house to
> > > > > the next partition wall about 14' away.
> > > > > I want the roof deck to end up just an inch below the drip edge o=
n the
> > > > > mansard.
> > > > Why not go ahead and cut the existing roof back and join the new ro=
of
> > > > directly to it? =A0Sounds like it would give you a little more head=
room
> > > > as well.
> > > Gee, I guess there really is a lot wrong with the clarity of my first
> > > post and with the second as well. =A0I asked about hanging joists fro=
m
> > > some lookout joists with appropriate hardware....do you know of such
> > > hardware?- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > Nope, but you could probably use some really long joist hangers if you
> > can find some. =A0Really need to use 2x8s? =A0I ask because it might be=
be
> > easier to find a joist hanger long enough if you used 2x6s. =A0Probably
> > not code either but if you're not on the coast it's be ok.- Hide quoted=
text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> Actually, the reason I was thinking 2x8 was that then I could taper
> the end that would fit up flush to the lookout joist at an angle to
> give me the proper roof slope.
> I'll have to sketch it up with actual sizes to see but I was thinking
> that hangers for 2x12 could be used...I just didn't want to miss
> something that some of the hardware manufactures might have conjured
> up for something like this.
> I just hate to start trying to set anchors in my bricks....the bricks
> are quite hard, I know how much Portland cement was added to the
> mortar, and I can see all sorts of grief coming from hammer drilling
> up so close to the top...and for what....so I can use some joist
> hangers on a ledger and be to code?
> If all else fails, I'll sketch it up and take it in to the building
> dept. guys and see what they say....I'll use an assumed name.
> The other option (and it's looking better all the time) is to use an
> insulated aluminum panel roof of the type used for manufactured
> sunrooms...light, strong, and easy to do.
> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text

I agree about the brick, best left alone if you can finagle it :-)

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