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Star drill? willshak 10-06-2007
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Posted by BobK207 on October 7, 2007, 2:27 am
> X-posted to other relevant group.
>
> Before there were concrete drill bits, or electric drills for that
> matter, small round holes in concrete or rock were made by a round
> chisel type tool that was pounded into the stone with a small sledge
> hammer while turning the tool. It might have been 8" or 10" long. The
> face of this chisel had a star-like pattern, only with 4 points, like a
> plus sign " + ". I believe it was called a star drill.
> A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen).
> Anyone know if they still make them, or if so, where to get one on-line?
> I'm trying to drill some 40 - 3/4" holes in concrete and my 1/2" corded
> electric drill with a concrete bit stalls on the stone aggregate in the
> concrete requiring me to stop and try to crack the aggregate with a
> large punch. I figured a star drill would work better.
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @

You didn't say (or I missed) how deep the holes needed to be.

But even shallow 3/4" holes will take some time to drill 40 with a
start drill (basically a hand operated masonry drilling system)

Rent (or borrow) Hilti or Milwaukee rotary hammer....either will make
short work of 40 3/4" holes.

A regular drill motor & a concrete bit will take FOREVER (BTDT) use
a rotary hammer, fast & easy.

Don't bear down on the tool, let it do the drilling & you'll be done
in a few hours depending on hole depth.

cheers
Bob


Posted by The Other Funk on October 7, 2007, 8:56 am
Finding the keyboard operational
willshak entered:

> X-posted to other relevant group.
>
> Before there were concrete drill bits, or electric drills for that
> matter, small round holes in concrete or rock were made by a round
> chisel type tool that was pounded into the stone with a small sledge
> hammer while turning the tool. It might have been 8" or 10" long. The
> face of this chisel had a star-like pattern, only with 4 points, like
> a plus sign " + ". I believe it was called a star drill.
> A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen).
> Anyone know if they still make them, or if so, where to get one
> on-line? I'm trying to drill some 40 - 3/4" holes in concrete and my
> 1/2" corded electric drill with a concrete bit stalls on the stone
> aggregate in the concrete requiring me to stop and try to crack the
> aggregate with a large punch. I figured a star drill would work
> better.

After reading some of the responses I think there may be a misunderstanding.
Are you saying that you want to use your 1/2" electric until you hit a piece
of aggregate and then use the star drill and sledge to break that up? Then
returning to the drill.
If that's the plan then I believe that Home Depot has star drill's or any
decent sized hardware store should have one. If you have a stone and tile
dealer near by I'ld give them a call.
Of course renting or buying a hammer drill is another answer.
Good luck.
Bob

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www.moondoggiecoffee.com


Posted by willshak on October 7, 2007, 10:14 am
on 10/7/2007 8:56 AM The Other Funk said the following:
> Finding the keyboard operational
> willshak entered:
>
>> X-posted to other relevant group.
>>
>> Before there were concrete drill bits, or electric drills for that
>> matter, small round holes in concrete or rock were made by a round
>> chisel type tool that was pounded into the stone with a small sledge
>> hammer while turning the tool. It might have been 8" or 10" long. The
>> face of this chisel had a star-like pattern, only with 4 points, like
>> a plus sign " + ". I believe it was called a star drill.
>> A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen).
>> Anyone know if they still make them, or if so, where to get one
>> on-line? I'm trying to drill some 40 - 3/4" holes in concrete and my
>> 1/2" corded electric drill with a concrete bit stalls on the stone
>> aggregate in the concrete requiring me to stop and try to crack the
>> aggregate with a large punch. I figured a star drill would work
>> better.
>
> After reading some of the responses I think there may be a
> misunderstanding. Are you saying that you want to use your 1/2"
> electric until you hit a piece of aggregate and then use the star
> drill and sledge to break that up? Then returning to the drill.


WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!
And thanks to all the others who participated. You'll get a Board Game
version of our show on the way out of the studio.

And as an aside, I checked at Lowes last night, and in the tool
department, there was a Lowes guy. Maybe a little younger than me,
probably in his 60s. I asked him if he was the tool guy. He said "Kinda,
I just started in this department". I asked him if he knew what a Star
Drill was, he looked puzzled and said, "All our drill bits are over
here" pointed to a wall display. I said "it isn't a drill per se, but
more of a concrete chisel:. He then walked me to the wall display with
all the chisels.and said, "Here's all the chisels. If it isn't in this
area, we don't have it" and walked away. They didn't have it.

> If that's the plan then I believe that Home Depot has star drill's or
> any decent sized hardware store should have one. If you have a stone
> and tile dealer near by I'ld give them a call.
> Of course renting or buying a hammer drill is another answer.
> Good luck.
> Bob
>
> --
> --
> Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
> www.moondoggiecoffee.com
>


--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Posted by RicodJour on October 7, 2007, 10:40 am
> on 10/7/2007 8:56 AM The Other Funk said the following:
>
>
>
> > Finding the keyboard operational
> > willshak entered:
>
> >> X-posted to other relevant group.
>
> >> Before there were concrete drill bits, or electric drills for that
> >> matter, small round holes in concrete or rock were made by a round
> >> chisel type tool that was pounded into the stone with a small sledge
> >> hammer while turning the tool. It might have been 8" or 10" long. The
> >> face of this chisel had a star-like pattern, only with 4 points, like
> >> a plus sign " + ". I believe it was called a star drill.
> >> A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen).
> >> Anyone know if they still make them, or if so, where to get one
> >> on-line? I'm trying to drill some 40 - 3/4" holes in concrete and my
> >> 1/2" corded electric drill with a concrete bit stalls on the stone
> >> aggregate in the concrete requiring me to stop and try to crack the
> >> aggregate with a large punch. I figured a star drill would work
> >> better.
>
> > After reading some of the responses I think there may be a
> > misunderstanding. Are you saying that you want to use your 1/2"
> > electric until you hit a piece of aggregate and then use the star
> > drill and sledge to break that up? Then returning to the drill.
>
> WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!

I don't think anybody assumed otherwise or the pointed responses would
have been more vociferous.
You'll be making a lot of work for yourself and wasting time for no
apparent reason. There are better exercises than kneeling over a hole
and hitting a chisel with a lump hammer.

I'm curious, Bill - what is the reason that you're ignoring entirely
unanimous advice from a group of people that probably wouldn't agree
on which way was up? Were you starting with the 3/4" bit or starting
with a smaller bit and working your way up in two or three steps?

R


Posted by willshak on October 7, 2007, 11:53 am
on 10/7/2007 10:40 AM RicodJour said the following:
>
>> on 10/7/2007 8:56 AM The Other Funk said the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Finding the keyboard operational
>>> willshak entered:
>>>
>>>> X-posted to other relevant group.
>>>>
>>>> Before there were concrete drill bits, or electric drills for that
>>>> matter, small round holes in concrete or rock were made by a round
>>>> chisel type tool that was pounded into the stone with a small sledge
>>>> hammer while turning the tool. It might have been 8" or 10" long. The
>>>> face of this chisel had a star-like pattern, only with 4 points, like
>>>> a plus sign " + ". I believe it was called a star drill.
>>>> A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen).
>>>> Anyone know if they still make them, or if so, where to get one
>>>> on-line? I'm trying to drill some 40 - 3/4" holes in concrete and my
>>>> 1/2" corded electric drill with a concrete bit stalls on the stone
>>>> aggregate in the concrete requiring me to stop and try to crack the
>>>> aggregate with a large punch. I figured a star drill would work
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>> After reading some of the responses I think there may be a
>>> misunderstanding. Are you saying that you want to use your 1/2"
>>> electric until you hit a piece of aggregate and then use the star
>>> drill and sledge to break that up? Then returning to the drill.
>>>
>> WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!
>>
>
> I don't think anybody assumed otherwise or the pointed responses would
> have been more vociferous.
> You'll be making a lot of work for yourself and wasting time for no
> apparent reason. There are better exercises than kneeling over a hole
> and hitting a chisel with a lump hammer.
>
> I'm curious, Bill - what is the reason that you're ignoring entirely
> unanimous advice from a group of people that probably wouldn't agree
> on which way was up? Were you starting with the 3/4" bit or starting
> with a smaller bit and working your way up in two or three steps?
>
> R

First, let me say that I didn't ask for alternatives, I asked a direct
question about where I could get a specific product.
Although the alternate power tool suggestions were fine, with few
helpful answers, the alternatives seem to have dominated the responses.
I know about hammer drills and their uses, and I know where to buy or
rent one. Buying a hammer drill for this one purpose is out of the
question. I may not never again drill holes in concrete, and maybe I can
just throw the star drill in a drawer with my other chisels and punches
and not have another large, seldom used power tool on a shelf.
Renting one for a day is a gamble. What if I can't complete the project
in that time frame for some reason? What if I got called away for an
emergency, or it started to rain? The rental fee would be more than if I
bought a cheap hammer drill from Harbor Freight (see above about buying
and storing seldom used tools).
If I had asked where to buy a wheelbarrow, I don't want to buy or rent
an ATV (Mule), a front end loader, a Bobcat, or anything other than a
wheelbarrow.
Someone likened my request to an analogy about using a screwdriver as a
chisel. I still don't get that one.
I suppose that we should all get rid of all hand tools since there is a
power tool available that will do the job faster and easier.
I've already bored 10 holes with the 1/2" drill and a 3/4" concrete bit,
with the help of the steel punch and small sledge hammer. I have 2 on
each corner and 2 on each side, and the cover is on using those 10
attachments. The leaves are falling on the cover and are being blown off
by the wind. I have plenty of time before the snow starts to finish the
other 20 holes.
That's my story. I suppose that this threat will continue pointing out
the advantages of using a hammer drill, or maybe it will drift off to
something about garden spiders. But I now have the information that I
need, thanks to the few that answered my question and provided links, so
I'll let the others continue without me.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

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