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Steel I Beams Raider Bill 12-27-2006
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Posted by Dan Deckert on December 29, 2006, 9:01 pm

>
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> > That's a mighty big span, pardner.


> Due to location I am limited as to how much weight they will be as
> getting a crane in there will be almost impossible.
>
You don't need a crane, use a 4WD extendable forklift w/4 wheel steering.
Aroung the 6~8 thousand lb capacity. They can extend from about 32 ~ 42
feet, and from 0~80 degrees. Load chart included...............

Dan



Posted by Raider Bill on December 30, 2006, 12:08 pm

Dan Deckert wrote:
> >
> > Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> > > That's a mighty big span, pardner.
>
>
> > Due to location I am limited as to how much weight they will be as
> > getting a crane in there will be almost impossible.
> >
> You don't need a crane, use a 4WD extendable forklift w/4 wheel steering.
> Aroung the 6~8 thousand lb capacity. They can extend from about 32 ~ 42
> feet, and from 0~80 degrees. Load chart included...............
>
> Dan

I saw a building going up where they were using wooden beams. To me
they looked like 2x4's channeled out and osb inserted. These were 20'.
Is there anything extra they do when building these to fortify them or
is it what you see is what you get? Seems simple enough to build them
but I can't belive they are that simple?


Posted by Matt Whiting on December 30, 2006, 12:52 pm
Raider Bill wrote:

> Dan Deckert wrote:
>
>>
>>>Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's a mighty big span, pardner.
>>
>>
>>>Due to location I am limited as to how much weight they will be as
>>>getting a crane in there will be almost impossible.
>>>
>>
>>You don't need a crane, use a 4WD extendable forklift w/4 wheel steering.
>>Aroung the 6~8 thousand lb capacity. They can extend from about 32 ~ 42
>>feet, and from 0~80 degrees. Load chart included...............
>>
>>Dan
>
>
> I saw a building going up where they were using wooden beams. To me
> they looked like 2x4's channeled out and osb inserted. These were 20'.
> Is there anything extra they do when building these to fortify them or
> is it what you see is what you get? Seems simple enough to build them
> but I can't belive they are that simple?

What you see is what you get. They are flimsy laterally until the
decking is on, but then they stiffen up nicely and make a good floor.
They are essentially an I-beam made of wood rather than steel.

Matt


Posted by Raider Bill on December 31, 2006, 9:18 am


> What you see is what you get. They are flimsy laterally until the
> decking is on, but then they stiffen up nicely and make a good floor.
> They are essentially an I-beam made of wood rather than steel.
>
> Matt

Not all of the basement will need to be clearspanned.I will have a
mechanical room somewhere near the middle to centralize the A/c and
heat runs, plus part of it will be partitioned off for a cleanroom and
possibly a storage parts room. I'm thinking maybe 1/3 will have
partitions. I think here I will be able to use load bearing walls to
hold up the floor joists?

The icf's will not be supporrted by any of this as my first run will go
from the footer to the bottom of the window sills. That will be where
my cold joint for the second lift of icf;s that will go to the eves and
gable tops.

I have scheduled for next year [haha] a trip to Orlando to work with a
ICF contracter a few days to get the hang of setting, bracing and
pouring them.

On that note, In addition to myself I also have 3 friends one who is a
concrete contractor, one a GC and one a framer who is also interested
in ICF's that are going with. All are long time friends and skilled
tradesmen.

The ICF guy says he has trained several non english speaking crews to
use them in less 3 days so he said we should be experts when done.
{i'll let you know].

Of course in the planning stage, the concrete friend says pour pillers,
the GC says metal posts and the framer says do it all with wood.

Let me add that most of this planning revolves around my back porch and
after about a case of Bud things get creative at times.

You guys are the sounding board and all suggestions here are discussed
the next evening. The boys are pretty impressed with the info I have
been getting here. Thank you.


Posted by Matt Whiting on December 31, 2006, 9:21 am
Raider Bill wrote:

>
>>What you see is what you get. They are flimsy laterally until the
>>decking is on, but then they stiffen up nicely and make a good floor.
>>They are essentially an I-beam made of wood rather than steel.
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> Not all of the basement will need to be clearspanned.I will have a
> mechanical room somewhere near the middle to centralize the A/c and
> heat runs, plus part of it will be partitioned off for a cleanroom and
> possibly a storage parts room. I'm thinking maybe 1/3 will have
> partitions. I think here I will be able to use load bearing walls to
> hold up the floor joists?
>
> The icf's will not be supporrted by any of this as my first run will go
> from the footer to the bottom of the window sills. That will be where
> my cold joint for the second lift of icf;s that will go to the eves and
> gable tops.
>
> I have scheduled for next year [haha] a trip to Orlando to work with a
> ICF contracter a few days to get the hang of setting, bracing and
> pouring them.
>
> On that note, In addition to myself I also have 3 friends one who is a
> concrete contractor, one a GC and one a framer who is also interested
> in ICF's that are going with. All are long time friends and skilled
> tradesmen.
>
> The ICF guy says he has trained several non english speaking crews to
> use them in less 3 days so he said we should be experts when done.
> {i'll let you know].

I looked at ICFs before going with precast concrete. They look easy to
use the only real issue is blow-outs when placing the concrete. It
looked like those could get interesting...

Matt

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