Home Page link

Steel building questions

Home| Search | About
Login Password
Register Now! Lost Password?

Building Construction - Building Construction Industry Discussions. 

Page 1 of 2       1 2 > last >> Bookmark this page:  YahooMyWeb Yahoo!  Google Google  Windows Live Favorites Windows Live  del.icio.us del.icio.us  digg digg  Add to Netscape Netscape
Subject Author Date
Steel building questions brianlanning 08-12-2006
If you were  Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options
Posted by on August 12, 2006, 1:25 am
My wife and I are considering a steel building for our new house.
We're thinking 5000 sqft, a 50x100 building (we have 9 children).
Ideally, we'd like a full basement (making 10k sqft). We're also
planning a standing seam roof. I have a couple questions about this
though:

1. Can someone give me an idea what the footer/slab vs crawlspace vs
full basement with 9' walls and a slab on the floor would cost for
this?

2. What sort of life span can I expect from the building? Will it rust
to pieces in 20 years? Look the same in 100 years? Should I be
planning for stainless connectors instead of zinc-coated?

This will be in either southern wisconsin or northern illinois.
thanks.

brian


Posted by marson on August 12, 2006, 7:57 am

brianlanning@gmail.com wrote:
> My wife and I are considering a steel building for our new house.
> We're thinking 5000 sqft, a 50x100 building (we have 9 children).
> Ideally, we'd like a full basement (making 10k sqft). We're also
> planning a standing seam roof. I have a couple questions about this
> though:
>
> 1. Can someone give me an idea what the footer/slab vs crawlspace vs
> full basement with 9' walls and a slab on the floor would cost for
> this?
>
> 2. What sort of life span can I expect from the building? Will it rust
> to pieces in 20 years? Look the same in 100 years? Should I be
> planning for stainless connectors instead of zinc-coated?
>
> This will be in either southern wisconsin or northern illinois.
> thanks.
>
> brian

what do you mean by a steel building? a steel post frame building?
this will be your house? at any rate, its almost like if you gotta ask
what a 50 by 100 foot basement will cost, you can't afford it. to take
the wildest of WAGs, i would have to say a minimum several hundred
thousand for the excavation alone. probably another hundred grand
minimum for the concrete work. slab on grade would be much cheaper
which is why you never see a basement in a walmart.

as to your second question, any building will last basically forever as
long as you keep the elements out (barring disaster). standing seam
metal roofs last many many years. fasteners will be hidden, so
stainless is no better than galvanized.


Posted by brianlanning on August 12, 2006, 3:31 pm
marson wrote:
> brianlanning@gmail.com wrote:
> what do you mean by a steel building? a steel post frame building?

Yeah, this sort of thing: http://www.steelbuilding.com/

> this will be your house?

yes

>at any rate, its almost like if you gotta ask
> what a 50 by 100 foot basement will cost, you can't afford it. to take
> the wildest of WAGs, i would have to say a minimum several hundred
> thousand for the excavation alone. probably another hundred grand
> minimum for the concrete work. slab on grade would be much cheaper
> which is why you never see a basement in a walmart.

I'm trying to get a better picture of what the costs will be. But from
what I've seen so far (after I posted), this sounds way off. My guess
would be around $50,000 for the basement, plus maybe another $10,000
for the slab in the basement.

I'm thinking the cost of a crawlspace will be maybe half the cost of a
basement. And the cost of a footer and slab would be maybe a quarter
the cost of a basement. I guess I'm looking for validation of these
estimates

> as to your second question, any building will last basically forever as
> long as you keep the elements out (barring disaster). standing seam
> metal roofs last many many years. fasteners will be hidden, so
> stainless is no better than galvanized.

What's forever though? 20 years or 100 years? And does it look good
for 100 years, or does it look good for maybe 20 years, but it's
structurally ok for another 40? I guess I need to ask when it starts
rusting to the point of looking bad.

brian


Posted by marson on August 12, 2006, 8:11 pm
well, i'd forget about a basement. i've got a basement bid sitting on
my desk for a 2100 square foot house-- excavating is 30 grand, concrete
work is 40 grand. granted, it's a complicated footprint.

but a 50 by 100 foot basement is no small matter. that is 2000 yards
of fill that would have to be hauled out of there. something like 150
loads in a tandem dumptruck. if you could get one in there every half
hour, that would be 75 hours of steady hauling fill out of there. if
you just say he has two trucks at 100 bucks an hour per, and an
excavator at 150 an hour, that's 34 grand just for that part of it.
then there is road building, getting 6" of granular fill back into the
monster, utilities, back filling, drain tile, etc. as far as the
concrete work goes, the materials alone for such a thing would have to
run 30 grand, if you use icf's. labor would be very high because
something so big would have to be done in stages.

so you'll want to call a mason anyway. ask him what a 50x100 foot slab
is going to cost, and if that doesn't knock your socks off, go from
there.


Posted by brianlanning on August 12, 2006, 9:39 pm
marson wrote:
> well, i'd forget about a basement. i've got a basement bid sitting on
> my desk for a 2100 square foot house-- excavating is 30 grand, concrete
> work is 40 grand. granted, it's a complicated footprint.

That still sounds very wrong. We bought a tract house in indiana maybe
ten years ago. The full basement option price over a slab was maybe
$15,000. That was for maybe a 1900 sqft two story house. Maybe your
2100 is a 1 story house, but still, at twice the price, it's still half
your estimate.

Our building would be a rectangle by the way.


> but a 50 by 100 foot basement is no small matter. that is 2000 yards
> of fill that would have to be hauled out of there. something like 150
> loads in a tandem dumptruck. if you could get one in there every half
> hour, that would be 75 hours of steady hauling fill out of there. if
> you just say he has two trucks at 100 bucks an hour per, and an
> excavator at 150 an hour, that's 34 grand just for that part of it.

I didn't consider the fill. We're planning on buying some acreage
though. I wouldn't mind a hill on the property where a low spot used
to be.

> then there is road building, getting 6" of granular fill back into the
> monster, utilities, back filling, drain tile, etc. as far as the
> concrete work goes, the materials alone for such a thing would have to
> run 30 grand, if you use icf's. labor would be very high because
> something so big would have to be done in stages.

yeah, I was thinking around $60k for materials and labor.


> so you'll want to call a mason anyway. ask him what a 50x100 foot slab
> is going to cost, and if that doesn't knock your socks off, go from
> there.

If you figure $3 per square foot, that's $15k. Not sure that's
realistic.

brian


Page 1 of 2       1 2 > last >>
Similar ThreadsPosted
RE-erecting a steel building, north florida, alachua county...a few questions September 5, 2006, 11:12 am
Building Code Questions June 24, 2007, 12:23 pm
The Benefits Of Building With Steel October 13, 2007, 12:47 pm
steel building house revisited October 4, 2006, 6:02 pm
Great Steel Building Site!!! September 21, 2007, 6:41 am
Quick Questions concerning Rough Construction and building a garage...... September 11, 2007, 10:08 am
Steel Building Components - The Evolution of Construction September 22, 2007, 11:48 am
Questions for Contractor's January 9, 2007, 9:09 am
Screened Porch questions July 19, 2006, 4:44 pm
Dumb questions re: 2 x 6 construction August 18, 2006, 3:27 am

Contact Us | Privacy Policy

XML SitemapXML Sitemap