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Supporting Lifted Concrete Block Manjo 08-08-2006
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Posted by Manjo on August 8, 2006, 8:22 am
There's a 4' x 3' x 1.5' poured concrete block at the bottom of the
back steps that's shifted down and to the left about 2 inches.

I've dug a 12" wide and 12" deep "tunnel" under the block's low end
and can get a small 2-ton bottle jack under the block. With 2x6's
above and below the jack, I can raise the block the required 2 inches
to level it.

Now I need some ideas/guidance on how to permanently support and hold
the raised block in place. I would like to pour cement under the
block, but I don't know how to temporarily hold the block in place as I
removed the jack so I can pour the cement under the block.

TIA for any tips, suggestions, ideas.

Manjo


Posted by Robert Allison on August 8, 2006, 9:37 am
Manjo wrote:
> There's a 4' x 3' x 1.5' poured concrete block at the bottom of the
> back steps that's shifted down and to the left about 2 inches.
>
> I've dug a 12" wide and 12" deep "tunnel" under the block's low end
> and can get a small 2-ton bottle jack under the block. With 2x6's
> above and below the jack, I can raise the block the required 2 inches
> to level it.
>
> Now I need some ideas/guidance on how to permanently support and hold
> the raised block in place. I would like to pour cement under the
> block, but I don't know how to temporarily hold the block in place as I
> removed the jack so I can pour the cement under the block.
>
> TIA for any tips, suggestions, ideas.
>
> Manjo
>
Use bricks and plastic shims. You will have to install the
bricks and shims, set the weight down on them and see if it
sinks (it will probably sink a little). Jack it back up and
add more shims or bricks. Repeat as necessary until steps are
where you want them, then pour the concrete. Be careful not
to bump the brick column when working the concrete.

--
Robert Allison        
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

Posted by Manjo on August 8, 2006, 10:59 am
Robert,

Thanks for the idea. Where would I get plastic shims? Are they
something a hardware store would normally carry?

Thanks,

Manjo


Robert Allison wrote:
> Manjo wrote:
> > There's a 4' x 3' x 1.5' poured concrete block at the bottom of the
> > back steps that's shifted down and to the left about 2 inches.
> >
> > I've dug a 12" wide and 12" deep "tunnel" under the block's low end
> > and can get a small 2-ton bottle jack under the block. With 2x6's
> > above and below the jack, I can raise the block the required 2 inches
> > to level it.
> >
> > Now I need some ideas/guidance on how to permanently support and hold
> > the raised block in place. I would like to pour cement under the
> > block, but I don't know how to temporarily hold the block in place as I
> > removed the jack so I can pour the cement under the block.
> >
> > TIA for any tips, suggestions, ideas.
> >
> > Manjo
> >
> Use bricks and plastic shims. You will have to install the
> bricks and shims, set the weight down on them and see if it
> sinks (it will probably sink a little). Jack it back up and
> add more shims or bricks. Repeat as necessary until steps are
> where you want them, then pour the concrete. Be careful not
> to bump the brick column when working the concrete.
>
> --
> Robert Allison        
> Rimshot, Inc.
> Georgetown, TX


Posted by Bobk207 on August 8, 2006, 11:26 am

Manjo wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Thanks for the idea. Where would I get plastic shims? Are they
> something a hardware store would normally carry?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Manjo
>
>
> Robert Allison wrote:
> > Manjo wrote:
> > > There's a 4' x 3' x 1.5' poured concrete block at the bottom of the
> > > back steps that's shifted down and to the left about 2 inches.
> > >
> > > I've dug a 12" wide and 12" deep "tunnel" under the block's low end
> > > and can get a small 2-ton bottle jack under the block. With 2x6's
> > > above and below the jack, I can raise the block the required 2 inches
> > > to level it.
> > >
> > > Now I need some ideas/guidance on how to permanently support and hold
> > > the raised block in place. I would like to pour cement under the
> > > block, but I don't know how to temporarily hold the block in place as I
> > > removed the jack so I can pour the cement under the block.
> > >
> > > TIA for any tips, suggestions, ideas.
> > >
> > > Manjo
> > >
> > Use bricks and plastic shims. You will have to install the
> > bricks and shims, set the weight down on them and see if it
> > sinks (it will probably sink a little). Jack it back up and
> > add more shims or bricks. Repeat as necessary until steps are
> > where you want them, then pour the concrete. Be careful not
> > to bump the brick column when working the concrete.
> >
> > --
> > Robert Allison
> > Rimshot, Inc.
> > Georgetown, TX


Manjo-

I assume this block is a landing at the base of some steps?

If you're going to have to place some more concrete to stabilize the
block...perhaps an easier approach is to remove & replace the block.

It's pretty thick.....frost zone? Because structurally there's no need
for something that thick.

Your block is about 2700 pounds so be careful when working around it
while raised.

Is the soil under it sound? No organics?

I would also suggest just adding leveled smoothed sand under the block.
The block is so heavy you'll need to get good uniform bearing against
the soil so that it doesn't sink more. Local shims & blocks, unless
over a large area will also sink over time, hence the need for more
concrete.

Why did the block sink? With uniform bearing that's less than 250
pounds per square foot...way less than even crappy soil can handle.

cheers
Bob


Posted by Manjo on August 9, 2006, 5:44 pm
The block of cement is the footing for the back porch stairs. We live
in Massachusetts where we can sometimes go well below zero F degrees
which will create frost heaves.

I really don't know why the block sank 2 inches. But after digging the
12"x12" tunnel under the dropped end to place the jack, I think it is
all the sand with little to no rock in the mix.

I really don't have a lot of room to work with under the footing, so I
placed a rather large cement block in the tunnel and jacked up the
footing enough to get one course of cement bricks on top of the large
block. I then let the footing rest back down on the bricks. The brick
support structure has sunk a bit into the sand. I will jack up the
footing tomorrow and place another course of brick in place on top of
the others and see how high that holds the footing. If I'm just a
little over and the next morning I'm at level or still a little above,
I'm going to pour cement to fill the entire hole and surround the
bricks. I'm hoping this is enough to hold the footing in place for a
long time. If I get more sinking, I will dig from the other side of
the footing and jack it up and pour another cement support.

Thanks again to everyone who has posted to this thread. Many good
approaches and ideas that made it hard to choose the one I could work
with the best since I'm not a construction guy

Manjo

Manjo wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Thanks for the idea. Where would I get plastic shims? Are they
> something a hardware store would normally carry?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Manjo
>
>
> Robert Allison wrote:
> > Manjo wrote:
> > > There's a 4' x 3' x 1.5' poured concrete block at the bottom of the
> > > back steps that's shifted down and to the left about 2 inches.
> > >
> > > I've dug a 12" wide and 12" deep "tunnel" under the block's low end
> > > and can get a small 2-ton bottle jack under the block. With 2x6's
> > > above and below the jack, I can raise the block the required 2 inches
> > > to level it.
> > >
> > > Now I need some ideas/guidance on how to permanently support and hold
> > > the raised block in place. I would like to pour cement under the
> > > block, but I don't know how to temporarily hold the block in place as I
> > > removed the jack so I can pour the cement under the block.
> > >
> > > TIA for any tips, suggestions, ideas.
> > >
> > > Manjo
> > >
> > Use bricks and plastic shims. You will have to install the
> > bricks and shims, set the weight down on them and see if it
> > sinks (it will probably sink a little). Jack it back up and
> > add more shims or bricks. Repeat as necessary until steps are
> > where you want them, then pour the concrete. Be careful not
> > to bump the brick column when working the concrete.
> >
> > --
> > Robert Allison        
> > Rimshot, Inc.
> > Georgetown, TX


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