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Tool tracking Matt M. 01-22-2008
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Posted by dpb on February 1, 2008, 12:52 pm
dpb wrote:
...

> Self-discharge is <<2 mA??? (Just asking, seems high ottomh....)

That of course should have been >>2 mA for self-discharge to be faster
than the load current...

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Posted by PeterD on February 1, 2008, 1:34 pm

>dpb wrote:
>...
>
>> Self-discharge is <<2 mA??? (Just asking, seems high ottomh....)
>
>That of course should have been >>2 mA for self-discharge to be faster
>than the load current...

<g> I understood what you were saying anyway! Maybe I will do a test
one of these days, take a moderately good nicad and put a 2 mA load on
it, and see what I get for lifespan versus lifespan without any load.
Long term test, this would take weeks to perform.

(wouldn't it be funny to find that the loaded test had a greater
life?)

Posted by PeterD on February 1, 2008, 1:32 pm

>PeterD wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:45:31 -0800 (PST), cadcoke4@yahoo.com wrote:
>...
>
>>> Wouldn't these two resistors continuously drain the battery?
>>
>> The drain is very small, much less than the self-discharge rate of a
>> NI-CAD battery for exmaple. The battery would go dead on its own long
>> before the resistors drained it.
>
>Self-discharge is <<2 mA??? (Just asking, seems high ottomh....)

Self-discharge varys a *lot* with respect to the quality of the
battery, so I'd be reluctant to quote hard numbers. I don't count on a
NICAD holding a charge for more than a few weeks generally. 2 mA isn't
much current, but it would probably be quite possible to increase the
resistance by an order of magnitude (say to 100K from 10K) and that
would cut the parasitic current drain by 10 as well.


Posted by Matt M. on January 31, 2008, 6:23 pm
On Jan 26, 8:28=A0am, cadco...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I need to put in place a tool tracking solution at my construction
> > project.
>
> Here are a few more thoughts, but they are untested;
>
> RFID could still be a good way to hunt for a missing tool. =A0There are
> RFID keychain finders available now that have a reasonable range.
> (many RFID systems work in the range of a few inches). The long range
> ones normally require a battery in the tag. If I recall, the battery
> in the key chain tag lasted about 3 mos, but more industrial versions
> last over a year. Sorry, I can't find the article about the key-chain
> finder. but I just Googled and found this article;
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/14/rfid-prevents-power-tool-theft/
>
> I wonder if weight would be a good way to track tools. If they are on
> rolling boxes, then rolling it over a scale should give you an
> indication of if something were missing.
>
> A way to visually track if a tool is missing is to make a mark where
> they go. =A0for example on a peg-board, with the tool in place, trace
> around the tool with a marker. Then you can easily see where it goes,
> or if something is missing. Of course, you need to keep it updated...
> the problem is how to erase the mark for a tool you no longer have.
>
> Perhaps an easier way is to glue hangers for each tool, and mark the
> name of the tool with a sticker on top of the hook. =A0Then an empty
> hanger indicates a missing tool.
>
> For tools that can't be hung, or in drawers in a tool box, place a
> sheet of foam in the drawer. =A0Lay the tools in an orderly way on the
> foam, and trace around them. =A0Then cut out the foam to form a place to
> hold the tool. Remove the foam and glue a sheet of cardboard to form a
> bottom to the pocket, so that small tools don't slide underneath the
> foam.
>
> I must be in the mood to ramble. =A0Anyway, let everyone know your
> solution.
>
> Joe Dunfee

We have decided to use bar coded stickers to track the tools. RFID
tags for a metal tool cost $2 each compared to a bar code that costs
1.4 cents per sticker. For 8,000+ tools, the cost savings is
significant and a potential theif can peel off a RFID tag as easily as
a bar code.

A funny story: Our project has purchased a lot of beefy golf carts to
drive arround the project. They have transponders in them. A few
months ago, the police recovered a few of them in the back of a
trailer headed to California. I wish I could do that for every tool!

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