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Venting enclosed room ? James 10-23-2009
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Posted by Tony Hwang on October 24, 2009, 2:17 am


clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> We do have electricity. There is no way to exclude the mice. We know
>>from 30 years experience.
>> The wall mounted exhaust fan may be a good idea...
>> Yes, you are correct that the odd window should not matter on this cabin,
>> as we have no neighbors...
>> James
> The window route is cheaper than the fan route in the long run, and
> more effective. As for the Mice, get a good ultrasonic pest repellant
> unit and run it "wide open" when you are not there. They DO work.
> At my brother's trailer he had a real infestation, and 2 weeks after
> he installed the "noise maker" the traps were empty..
>
> If you decide to go with a fan, there are wall-mount (through the
> wall) fans as well as ceiling fans that can be vented out the side -
> the wall-mounts tend to be "colder" - ie - they leak more air.
>
> They are also, generally, more effective (larger)
>
> A fan could be left running constantly regardless whether it was
> raining, or whatever, while a window might need to be closed - and the
> fan could be set on a timer to run for a short while every day even
> when you are not there - while for security reasons a window would
> need to be closed.
>
> Just a few things to think about.
Hi,
My vote is for a window which will give extra light as well.
If thru wall fan with louver is installed, better find a quiet type.
My cabin has that mouse chaser and never had mouse problem.

Posted by aemeijers on October 24, 2009, 7:29 am


Tony Hwang wrote:
> clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> We do have electricity. There is no way to exclude the mice. We
>>> know from 30 years experience.
>>> The wall mounted exhaust fan may be a good idea...
>>> Yes, you are correct that the odd window should not matter on this
>>> cabin, as we have no neighbors...
>>> James
>> The window route is cheaper than the fan route in the long run, and
>> more effective. As for the Mice, get a good ultrasonic pest repellant
>> unit and run it "wide open" when you are not there. They DO work.
>> At my brother's trailer he had a real infestation, and 2 weeks after
>> he installed the "noise maker" the traps were empty..
>> If you decide to go with a fan, there are wall-mount (through the
>> wall) fans as well as ceiling fans that can be vented out the side -
>> the wall-mounts tend to be "colder" - ie - they leak more air.
>> They are also, generally, more effective (larger)
>> A fan could be left running constantly regardless whether it was
>> raining, or whatever, while a window might need to be closed - and the
>> fan could be set on a timer to run for a short while every day even
>> when you are not there - while for security reasons a window would
>> need to be closed.
>> Just a few things to think about.
> Hi,
> My vote is for a window which will give extra light as well.
> If thru wall fan with louver is installed, better find a quiet type.
> My cabin has that mouse chaser and never had mouse problem.

How much do those ultrasonic mouse chasers cost? Is there a brand and
model anyone can recommend? And do they drive dogs crazy? It is starting
to get cold here, and I'm dreading the annual battle with the field mice
looking for a warm winter home. (Pretty sure I know where they are
getting in, but I can't do anything about it till I feel rich enough to
tear out and replace the deck and some of the siding. No access.) I was
thinking to put one high up in that part of the basement, or maybe in
the cabinet under kitchen sink. I don't have a dog, but my neighbor 30
feet away does.

--
aem sends...

Posted by on October 24, 2009, 11:53 am


wrote:

>Tony Hwang wrote:
>> clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> We do have electricity. There is no way to exclude the mice. We
>>>> know from 30 years experience.
>>>> The wall mounted exhaust fan may be a good idea...
>>>> Yes, you are correct that the odd window should not matter on this
>>>> cabin, as we have no neighbors...
>>>> James
>>> The window route is cheaper than the fan route in the long run, and
>>> more effective. As for the Mice, get a good ultrasonic pest repellant
>>> unit and run it "wide open" when you are not there. They DO work.
>>> At my brother's trailer he had a real infestation, and 2 weeks after
>>> he installed the "noise maker" the traps were empty..
>>> If you decide to go with a fan, there are wall-mount (through the
>>> wall) fans as well as ceiling fans that can be vented out the side -
>>> the wall-mounts tend to be "colder" - ie - they leak more air.
>>> They are also, generally, more effective (larger)
>>> A fan could be left running constantly regardless whether it was
>>> raining, or whatever, while a window might need to be closed - and the
>>> fan could be set on a timer to run for a short while every day even
>>> when you are not there - while for security reasons a window would
>>> need to be closed.
>>> Just a few things to think about.
>> Hi,
>> My vote is for a window which will give extra light as well.
>> If thru wall fan with louver is installed, better find a quiet type.
>> My cabin has that mouse chaser and never had mouse problem.
>How much do those ultrasonic mouse chasers cost? Is there a brand and
>model anyone can recommend? And do they drive dogs crazy? It is starting
>to get cold here, and I'm dreading the annual battle with the field mice
>looking for a warm winter home. (Pretty sure I know where they are
>getting in, but I can't do anything about it till I feel rich enough to
>tear out and replace the deck and some of the siding. No access.) I was
>thinking to put one high up in that part of the basement, or maybe in
>the cabinet under kitchen sink. I don't have a dog, but my neighbor 30
>feet away does.
Black and Decker makes one - Just don't put it in a hot attic - put
mine in daughter's attic to chase squirrels out and the Piezo
transducer blew. I had to replace it (that's the 'squawker")

Doesn't seem to bother cats and dogs too much, daughter's cat didn't
mind at all. It has 3 "patterns" and 3 volume settings. Set to low
when in residence, and shift to high when you leave.

Mine is a model 745-wb
Made by Applica Consumer Products, 3633 Flamingo Road, Miramar Florida
33027
1-800-231-9786

(actually made for them in China)
Marketed by Black and Decker.

Posted by aemeijers on October 23, 2009, 6:33 pm


James wrote:
> We have a vacation cabin in the remote mountains. This place was built
> many years ago, and this county is so remote, not much attention is paid to
> building codes, etc.
>
> I have a very small bathroom adjacent to an upstairs bathroom, that was
> built as an after-thought. It is real nice, but it has always had a
> problem. It has NO ventilation. It is **fully** enclosed, except for
> the door, which leads off our bedroom.
>
>
> Because the bathroom has no ventilation, it stinks, not so much from human
> use, but from mice droppings/ dead mice that get trapped in the walls, etc.
> I know that if I could air it out, it would be 100% better.
>
> I have thought of a small window. I know that would allow it to air out,
> and would do the trick. Yet, that is a bit costly, and would not "match"
> the exterior lines of the house.
>
> I have also thought of a ventilation fan, but I know nothing about them.
> Are they really, really, effective ? I know they usually ventilate
> through a ceiling vent, but I would prefer not to go through my roof. Can
> they be vented horizontally, with a hole on a side wall? Most
> importantly, would a good exhaust fan do as well as having a small window
> that I could open from time to time ?
>
> There is another possibility..... on the single door on this small bathroom,
> there is a transom area, currently covered with paneling. I could
> physically install an exhaust fan there, but of course it would be blowing
> out into the bedroom. The bedroom has plenty of windows, and thus is
> well-ventilated.
>
> Some of my ideas or comments may sound like I am a greenhorn, and I am.
>
> I will appreciate constructive ideas and comments. I suppose one of my
> main questions is how well an exhaust fan would ventilate this small
> bathroom, especially compared to a small window.
>
>
> (Please note: Although I want things to be safe and effective, there is no
> worry about building codes here).
>
> Thank You !!
>
> James
>
>
Is there an accessible attic above? Is the bathroom close to a sidewall
that gets a good breeze, downstream from windows? If you can get power
in the ceiling, you can easily add a normal bathroom fan with a
through-wall vent. If any of the bathroom walls are outside walls, you
can install a through-wall fan, but those are prone to air leakage and
frost buildup problems.

--
aem sends...

Posted by James on October 23, 2009, 6:37 pm


No access to attic. Bathroom is located on an outside wall. Through wall
fan may be good idea, except for your notation that they are prone to air
leakage and frost buildup.

James



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