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What is the best way, what material to use to thermally insulate 12 meters of sewer pipe John 10-14-2007
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Posted by willshak on October 15, 2007, 12:30 pm
on 10/15/2007 11:58 AM Wayne Whitney said the following:
>
>
>>> The air temperature may be -20C but the temperature of the ground at 2
>>> meters below the surface is about +8
>>>
>> Where do you live, where there's permafrost? The temperature at 2
>> meters deep is about 55º F year round, at least here in NY.
>>
>
> You are confusing Celsius with Fahrenheit. 8 Celsius is about 46 Fahrenheit.
>
> Wayne
>
>
Oooops. Sorry. I was confusing the F temp from Peter's post.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Posted by marson on October 15, 2007, 5:58 pm
> on 10/15/2007 11:58 AM Wayne Whitney said the following:> On 2007-10-15, =
>
> >>> The air temperature may be -20C but the temperature of the ground at 2
> >>> meters below the surface is about +8
>
> >> Where do you live, where there's permafrost? The temperature at 2
> >> meters deep is about 55=BA F year round, at least here in NY.
>
> > You are confusing Celsius with Fahrenheit. 8 Celsius is about 46 Fahre=
nheit.
>
> > Wayne
>
> Oooops. Sorry. I was confusing the F temp from Peter's post.
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Foam would certainly work--no need to worry about compressing it with
the weight of the water. High density foam is rated for 25psi. If
it's full, it would hold about (2/12)^2*3.14*1=3D.087 cubic feet *
65=3D5.7 pounds per lineal foot. How you would go about wrapping it
around a 4" pipe will be your challenge.


Posted by PeterD on October 15, 2007, 7:24 pm
wrote:


>Where do you live, where there's permafrost? The temperature at 2 meters
>deep is about 55º F year round, at least here in NY. The reason that
>footings are set at 4" is because that is below the frost line. If it
>was +8 at two meters, then the footing would have to extend below 2
>meters until it reached a temp above 32º.
>Besides the fact that septic tanks and dry wells would freeze solid.
>

Voted #1 clueless response yet!

1. 4" (inches) is not below frost line.
2. He's talking celsius not fahrenheit.
3. You really don't know why septic tanks don't freeze, regardless of
whether they are below the frost line, or above, do you?


Posted by PeterD on October 15, 2007, 7:21 pm

>
>>
>>>What is the best way, what material to use to thermally insulate 12
>>>meters of sewer pipe ceramic or plastic with 60 cm diameter, from the
>>>surrounding hearth, 2 meters from the surface. Expected temperature 8
>>>to 16 degrees C
>>>Assuming the pipe will be half full of water, that represents a
>>>considerable weight. Any foam product will be compressed to the point
>>>of seriously reduce it's thermal properties.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the help
>>>
>>>John
>>
>>Why do you want to insulate it? It can't freeze, hell it's two meters
>>(your estimate) from the surface. Here in Northern New England (USA)
>>where we see 20 below frequently each year, the frost line is about 4
>>to 5 ft (or a meter and a half).
>
>Peter
>You are correct on everything you say. Actually I am not very far from
>you.
>The air temperature may be -20C but the temperature of the ground at 2
>meters below the surface is about +8 and the temperature of the
>sewer's gray water is about +14 and this pipe is going to be used as a
>storage tank of the sewer heat.
>When building houses on a flat cement slab, don't they thermally
>insulate the slab from the ground?
>
>John

I'm not sure I understand what a 'sewer heat' is? <g> Why would one
care how hot their sewer was?

Sometimes, but not always, slabs are insulated. Gnerally once you are
below the frost line, the ground temperature stablizes. I think all
the insulated slabs I've seen were insulated because they employed a
heated slab system for heating the interior of the building.

Now if you are trying to extract the heat from the waste water (such
as heated gray water) I"m sure there are better ways to do it than
trying ot insualte a pipe two meters down.

Posted by John on October 16, 2007, 10:26 am

>What is the best way, what material to use to thermally insulate 12
>meters of sewer pipe ceramic or plastic with 60 cm diameter, from the
>surrounding hearth, 2 meters from the surface. Expected temperature 8
>to 16 degrees C
>Assuming the pipe will be half full of water, that represents a
>considerable weight. Any foam product will be compressed to the point
>of seriously reduce it's thermal properties.
>
>Thanks for the help
>
>John

I know that if I ask a question I should describe the application but
at this time I am under a contractual agreement not to publicize the
application in detail.

The 12 meters by 60 centimeters pipe will be used as a temporarily
storage tank for the filtered gray water from the sewer. It's located
2 meters below the surface and the average temperature of the water
is 12 degrees centigrade.

Since the temperature of the surrounding earth is about 8 degrees
centigrade, we would like to insulate the pipe.

I believe that was Peter that mentioned that there are better ways of
extracting the heat from the sewer. I have looked for any way of doing
with little success. There are a couple of installations in Oslo and a
proposed one for Vancouver . I would love to know of any others.

Thanks for your help . The moment I can discuss this in detail, I will
do it.

Thanks

John


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