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What is the layout order of starting three tab shingles rows? DJW 04-20-2007
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Posted by longshot on April 21, 2007, 2:32 pm

>> What is the layout order of starting three tab shingles rows?
>>
>> With the standard 3 foot three tab shingles what is the best order of
>> courses to stager the joints?
>> After the starter course I use a full three tab shingles. Then cut 6
>> inches off the end tab of the next course. At this point is where I am
>> not sure what to do. Do I cut a full tab off for the number three
>> course? And use a two full tab section. Then go to a cut down t 6 inch
>> and a full tab for number 4 course. And then repeat? At course five to
>> 8 and so on?
>>
>
> Instructions for layout for shingles are printed on the plastic wrap they
> come in. Doing something else voids the warranty.
>
The warranty is completely worthless anyway. Ever see an application where
every nail hit the tar strip? won't happen with nail guns & roofers knocking
out 10 square a day.



Posted by marson on April 21, 2007, 4:03 pm
>
>
> >> What is the layout order of starting three tab shingles rows?
>
> >> With the standard 3 foot three tab shingles what is the best order of
> >> courses to stager the joints?
> >> After the starter course I use a full three tab shingles. Then cut 6
> >> inches off the end tab of the next course. At this point is where I am
> >> not sure what to do. Do I cut a full tab off for the number three
> >> course? And use a two full tab section. Then go to a cut down t 6 inch
> >> and a full tab for number 4 course. And then repeat? At course five to
> >> 8 and so on?
>
> > Instructions for layout for shingles are printed on the plastic wrap they
> > come in. Doing something else voids the warranty.
>
> The warranty is completely worthless anyway. Ever see an application where
> every nail hit the tar strip? won't happen with nail guns & roofers knocking
> out 10 square a day.

nails aren't supposed to hit the tar strip anyway. The tar strip is
for sealing the tabs above to the shingle below. I actually got
spanked once for having nails in the tar strip. But your point is
right. the warranty is worthless. Unless it's some sort of a class
action for a defective batch of shingles, shingle companies just blame
the installer.


Posted by Matt Whiting on April 21, 2007, 10:21 pm
longshot wrote:
>>> What is the layout order of starting three tab shingles rows?
>>>
>>> With the standard 3 foot three tab shingles what is the best order of
>>> courses to stager the joints?
>>> After the starter course I use a full three tab shingles. Then cut 6
>>> inches off the end tab of the next course. At this point is where I am
>>> not sure what to do. Do I cut a full tab off for the number three
>>> course? And use a two full tab section. Then go to a cut down t 6 inch
>>> and a full tab for number 4 course. And then repeat? At course five to
>>> 8 and so on?
>>>
>> Instructions for layout for shingles are printed on the plastic wrap they
>> come in. Doing something else voids the warranty.
>>
> The warranty is completely worthless anyway. Ever see an application where
> every nail hit the tar strip? won't happen with nail guns & roofers knocking
> out 10 square a day.

I hope the nails don't hit the tar strip as that isn't proper technique.

Matt

Posted by Dave on April 21, 2007, 11:39 pm
>
>>> What is the layout order of starting three tab shingles rows?
>>>
>>> With the standard 3 foot three tab shingles what is the best order of
>>> courses to stager the joints?
>>> After the starter course I use a full three tab shingles. Then cut 6
>>> inches off the end tab of the next course. At this point is where I am
>>> not sure what to do. Do I cut a full tab off for the number three
>>> course? And use a two full tab section. Then go to a cut down t 6 inch
>>> and a full tab for number 4 course. And then repeat? At course five to
>>> 8 and so on?
>>>
>>
>> Instructions for layout for shingles are printed on the plastic wrap they
>> come in. Doing something else voids the warranty.
>>
> The warranty is completely worthless anyway. Ever see an application where
> every nail hit the tar strip? won't happen with nail guns & roofers
> knocking out 10 square a day.
>

And your assessment of the warranty be worthless is based on what?

Roofers generally ignore the instructions on the shingle package anyway.
They go straight up the roof (no pyramid), then work left and right. At
least the faster roofing subs do. Yes, the warranty is void here. Has
nothing to do with one individual laying shingles on his own roof.
--
Dave

Apathy and denial are close cousins



Posted by marson on April 22, 2007, 7:14 am
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> What is the layout order of starting three tab shingles rows?
>
> >>> With the standard 3 foot three tab shingles what is the best order of
> >>> courses to stager the joints?
> >>> After the starter course I use a full three tab shingles. Then cut 6
> >>> inches off the end tab of the next course. At this point is where I am
> >>> not sure what to do. Do I cut a full tab off for the number three
> >>> course? And use a two full tab section. Then go to a cut down t 6 inch
> >>> and a full tab for number 4 course. And then repeat? At course five to
> >>> 8 and so on?
>
> >> Instructions for layout for shingles are printed on the plastic wrap they
> >> come in. Doing something else voids the warranty.
>
> > The warranty is completely worthless anyway. Ever see an application where
> > every nail hit the tar strip? won't happen with nail guns & roofers
> > knocking out 10 square a day.
>
> And your assessment of the warranty be worthless is based on what?
>
> Roofers generally ignore the instructions on the shingle package anyway.
> They go straight up the roof (no pyramid), then work left and right. At
> least the faster roofing subs do. Yes, the warranty is void here. Has
> nothing to do with one individual laying shingles on his own roof.
> --
> Dave
>
> Apathy and denial are close cousins

The warranty covers material defects. That's it. (Unless you
purchase the "Golden Pledge" coverage from GAF.) So I guess it's not
worthless--those shingles might be defective, and you might get to
join one of those class actions that you see advertised. But if you
think that if you follow every instruction on a shingle package and if
your roof leaks, the shingle manufacturer is going to come and make it
right, you're dreaming.


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