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Which comes first? Brick or stucco??? ng 07-19-2006
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Posted by on July 19, 2006, 11:54 am
We are doing some remodeling on the outside of our home, which includes
new stucco, some brick facing, new concrete driveway and patios and
landscaping. The entire lot has been cleared of all old concrete,
grass, plants, etc... As my wife says, we are living on planet dirt!

The house has been sandblasted, all new windows, doors, vents, fascia
and trim installed (whew that was a lot of work). The house was just
brown coated which finally brings me to my question.

Next up is brick facing going 1/4 - 1/2 up the walls on parts of the
front of the home, brick planters in front of the facing, driveway,
patios and of course the dash/color coat stucco in La Habra "Aspen"
color. My stucco guy and brick/concrete guy both want to proceed in a
different sequence.

Brick/Concrete guy:
He of course wants to get in there now that the brown coat has been
done and get the facing and planters done, then let the stucco
contractor color coat, then he will come back and do the driveway and
patios.

Stucco Guy:
He wants to wait only a week after the brown coat and get the color
coat done then let the other contractor do the brick and concrete work.

Me:
Wants it done right and clean.

Wife:
Just wants it done!

I see advantages and disadvantages both ways and could really use some
advice/suggestions on this. If brick guy gets his facing done now he
does not have to worry about getting mortar on the finish coat stucco
and I am sure that makes his life a little easier. Stucco guy likes
that my lot is bare and there is no concrete, brick or landscaping to
worry about and of course would like to get in and finish coat so he
can get final payment. He did a reasonable job protecting my windows
and doors, but I still had some cleanup to do (I am admittedly a bit
anal about the new windows and doors I worked so hard to install).

I would like to know what the proper sequence should be to produce the
proper/best look overall and specifically the transition from stucco to
the brick facing and of course would like to avoid stucco on the new
brick/concrete and/or mortar/concrete on the new finished stucco.

As a secondary question, is it ok to let the brown coat cure only 1
week before color coat? It is quite hot here (high 80's to mid
90's) and after only a few days the brown coat is rock hard and by
appearance fully dry. Does it need to cure for a full 30 days or is one
week enough time as he says.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice offered. (flammers
and trolls excluded of course)

Patrick


Posted by Glenn on July 19, 2006, 12:06 pm
If I'm reading this right, it sounds a little backward already.
Brick should be first even before the brown coat. How are you
going to keep water from running down the stucco and behind the
brick? Brick and then maybe a molding above that with flashing
over the molding and UNDER the paper and brown coat. Caulking
only will not only look crude but will have to be re-done often.

> We are doing some remodeling on the outside of our home,
> which includes new stucco, some brick facing, new
> concrete driveway and patios and landscaping. The entire
> lot has been cleared of all old concrete, grass, plants,
> etc... As my wife says, we are living on planet dirt!
>
> The house has been sandblasted, all new windows, doors,
> vents, fascia and trim installed (whew that was a lot of
> work). The house was just brown coated which finally
> brings me to my question.
>
> Next up is brick facing going 1/4 - 1/2 up the walls on
> parts of the front of the home, brick planters in front
> of the facing, driveway, patios and of course the
> dash/color coat stucco in La Habra "Aspen" color. My
> stucco guy and brick/concrete guy both want to proceed in
> a different sequence.
>
> Brick/Concrete guy:
> He of course wants to get in there now that the brown
> coat has been done and get the facing and planters done,
> then let the stucco contractor color coat, then he will
> come back and do the driveway and patios.
>
> Stucco Guy:
> He wants to wait only a week after the brown coat and get
> the color coat done then let the other contractor do the
> brick and concrete work.
>
> Me:
> Wants it done right and clean.
>
> Wife:
> Just wants it done!
>
> I see advantages and disadvantages both ways and could
> really use some advice/suggestions on this. If brick guy
> gets his facing done now he does not have to worry about
> getting mortar on the finish coat stucco and I am sure
> that makes his life a little easier. Stucco guy likes
> that my lot is bare and there is no concrete, brick or
> landscaping to worry about and of course would like to
> get in and finish coat so he can get final payment. He
> did a reasonable job protecting my windows and doors, but
> I still had some cleanup to do (I am admittedly a bit
> anal about the new windows and doors I worked so hard to
> install).
>
> I would like to know what the proper sequence should be
> to produce the proper/best look overall and specifically
> the transition from stucco to the brick facing and of
> course would like to avoid stucco on the new
> brick/concrete and/or mortar/concrete on the new finished
> stucco.
>
> As a secondary question, is it ok to let the brown coat
> cure only 1 week before color coat? It is quite hot here
> (high 80's to mid 90's) and after only a few days the
> brown coat is rock hard and by appearance fully dry. Does
> it need to cure for a full 30 days or is one week enough
> time as he says.
>
> Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice
> offered. (flammers and trolls excluded of course)
>
> Patrick


Posted by on July 19, 2006, 12:40 pm
Thank you for the reply Glen.

I guess I should first say the home is in Southern Califoirnia so no
real extreme rain or other weather. Also, this is not new construction.
The home was built in 1958 and we sandblasted off about 6 layers of
paint from the existing stucco and in order to smooth and flatten
everything out decided to put a light brown coat on before the color.

In the area we are doing the brick there was previously brick on top of
the original brown coat with no flashing. Just a angled brick cap on
top of the brick facing to allow run-off. The wall was opened up a bit
to install the new windows and no water damage was apparent from what I
could see. The brick contractor will pour a footing and face the wall
about 1/4 up and anchor into the studs. The old brick had been there 50
years and there was no visible gap or opening where water could seep
behind them, they were just painted and ugly. So I know it is not best
case, but should be ok... right?

Thanks again :)

Patrick


Glenn wrote:
> If I'm reading this right, it sounds a little backward already.
> Brick should be first even before the brown coat. How are you
> going to keep water from running down the stucco and behind the
> brick? Brick and then maybe a molding above that with flashing
> over the molding and UNDER the paper and brown coat. Caulking
> only will not only look crude but will have to be re-done often.
>
> > We are doing some remodeling on the outside of our home,
> > which includes new stucco, some brick facing, new
> > concrete driveway and patios and landscaping. The entire
> > lot has been cleared of all old concrete, grass, plants,
> > etc... As my wife says, we are living on planet dirt!
> >
> > The house has been sandblasted, all new windows, doors,
> > vents, fascia and trim installed (whew that was a lot of
> > work). The house was just brown coated which finally
> > brings me to my question.
> >
> > Next up is brick facing going 1/4 - 1/2 up the walls on
> > parts of the front of the home, brick planters in front
> > of the facing, driveway, patios and of course the
> > dash/color coat stucco in La Habra "Aspen" color. My
> > stucco guy and brick/concrete guy both want to proceed in
> > a different sequence.
> >
> > Brick/Concrete guy:
> > He of course wants to get in there now that the brown
> > coat has been done and get the facing and planters done,
> > then let the stucco contractor color coat, then he will
> > come back and do the driveway and patios.
> >
> > Stucco Guy:
> > He wants to wait only a week after the brown coat and get
> > the color coat done then let the other contractor do the
> > brick and concrete work.
> >
> > Me:
> > Wants it done right and clean.
> >
> > Wife:
> > Just wants it done!
> >
> > I see advantages and disadvantages both ways and could
> > really use some advice/suggestions on this. If brick guy
> > gets his facing done now he does not have to worry about
> > getting mortar on the finish coat stucco and I am sure
> > that makes his life a little easier. Stucco guy likes
> > that my lot is bare and there is no concrete, brick or
> > landscaping to worry about and of course would like to
> > get in and finish coat so he can get final payment. He
> > did a reasonable job protecting my windows and doors, but
> > I still had some cleanup to do (I am admittedly a bit
> > anal about the new windows and doors I worked so hard to
> > install).
> >
> > I would like to know what the proper sequence should be
> > to produce the proper/best look overall and specifically
> > the transition from stucco to the brick facing and of
> > course would like to avoid stucco on the new
> > brick/concrete and/or mortar/concrete on the new finished
> > stucco.
> >
> > As a secondary question, is it ok to let the brown coat
> > cure only 1 week before color coat? It is quite hot here
> > (high 80's to mid 90's) and after only a few days the
> > brown coat is rock hard and by appearance fully dry. Does
> > it need to cure for a full 30 days or is one week enough
> > time as he says.
> >
> > Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice
> > offered. (flammers and trolls excluded of course)
> >
> > Patrick


Posted by Italian on July 23, 2006, 12:47 pm
The proper sequence in this instance would be for the Mason to come in
measure and mark out where the brick is going to go so the color coat
can be applied abit below this area. This will allow the stucco guy to
put on the color coat and get out of there. Im the the central valley
and 1 week is more than sufficent to wait for the brown coat.

The way we do brick on a house that is already color coated is just to
make sure everything is masked off and work clean.
Note: there are also many instances where the color goes on after and
if your guy is reasonably aware masking off the brickwork is not a
problem. Either way it will look fine. But in fairness to the stucco
guy let him get out of there.

ng@sixstringz.com wrote:
> We are doing some remodeling on the outside of our home, which includes
> new stucco, some brick facing, new concrete driveway and patios and
> landscaping. The entire lot has been cleared of all old concrete,
> grass, plants, etc... As my wife says, we are living on planet dirt!
>
> The house has been sandblasted, all new windows, doors, vents, fascia
> and trim installed (whew that was a lot of work). The house was just
> brown coated which finally brings me to my question.
>
> Next up is brick facing going 1/4 - 1/2 up the walls on parts of the
> front of the home, brick planters in front of the facing, driveway,
> patios and of course the dash/color coat stucco in La Habra "Aspen"
> color. My stucco guy and brick/concrete guy both want to proceed in a
> different sequence.
>
> Brick/Concrete guy:
> He of course wants to get in there now that the brown coat has been
> done and get the facing and planters done, then let the stucco
> contractor color coat, then he will come back and do the driveway and
> patios.
>
> Stucco Guy:
> He wants to wait only a week after the brown coat and get the color
> coat done then let the other contractor do the brick and concrete work.
>
> Me:
> Wants it done right and clean.
>
> Wife:
> Just wants it done!
>
> I see advantages and disadvantages both ways and could really use some
> advice/suggestions on this. If brick guy gets his facing done now he
> does not have to worry about getting mortar on the finish coat stucco
> and I am sure that makes his life a little easier. Stucco guy likes
> that my lot is bare and there is no concrete, brick or landscaping to
> worry about and of course would like to get in and finish coat so he
> can get final payment. He did a reasonable job protecting my windows
> and doors, but I still had some cleanup to do (I am admittedly a bit
> anal about the new windows and doors I worked so hard to install).
>
> I would like to know what the proper sequence should be to produce the
> proper/best look overall and specifically the transition from stucco to
> the brick facing and of course would like to avoid stucco on the new
> brick/concrete and/or mortar/concrete on the new finished stucco.
>
> As a secondary question, is it ok to let the brown coat cure only 1
> week before color coat? It is quite hot here (high 80's to mid
> 90's) and after only a few days the brown coat is rock hard and by
> appearance fully dry. Does it need to cure for a full 30 days or is one
> week enough time as he says.
>
> Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice offered. (flammers
> and trolls excluded of course)
>
> Patrick


Posted by on July 24, 2006, 3:41 pm
> ng@sixstringz.com wrote:
> > We are doing some remodeling on the outside of our home, which includes
> > new stucco, some brick facing, new concrete driveway and patios and
> > landscaping. The entire lot has been cleared of all old concrete,
> > grass, plants, etc... As my wife says, we are living on planet dirt!
> >
> > The house has been sandblasted, all new windows, doors, vents, fascia
> > and trim installed (whew that was a lot of work). The house was just
> > brown coated which finally brings me to my question.
> >
> > Next up is brick facing going 1/4 - 1/2 up the walls on parts of the
> > front of the home, brick planters in front of the facing, driveway,
> > patios and of course the dash/color coat stucco in La Habra "Aspen"
> > color. My stucco guy and brick/concrete guy both want to proceed in a
> > different sequence.
> >
> > Brick/Concrete guy:
> > He of course wants to get in there now that the brown coat has been
> > done and get the facing and planters done, then let the stucco
> > contractor color coat, then he will come back and do the driveway and
> > patios.
> >
> > Stucco Guy:
> > He wants to wait only a week after the brown coat and get the color
> > coat done then let the other contractor do the brick and concrete work.
> >
> > Me:
> > Wants it done right and clean.
> >
> > Wife:
> > Just wants it done!
> >
> > I see advantages and disadvantages both ways and could really use some
> > advice/suggestions on this. If brick guy gets his facing done now he
> > does not have to worry about getting mortar on the finish coat stucco
> > and I am sure that makes his life a little easier. Stucco guy likes
> > that my lot is bare and there is no concrete, brick or landscaping to
> > worry about and of course would like to get in and finish coat so he
> > can get final payment. He did a reasonable job protecting my windows
> > and doors, but I still had some cleanup to do (I am admittedly a bit
> > anal about the new windows and doors I worked so hard to install).
> >
> > I would like to know what the proper sequence should be to produce the
> > proper/best look overall and specifically the transition from stucco to
> > the brick facing and of course would like to avoid stucco on the new
> > brick/concrete and/or mortar/concrete on the new finished stucco.
> >
> > As a secondary question, is it ok to let the brown coat cure only 1
> > week before color coat? It is quite hot here (high 80's to mid
> > 90's) and after only a few days the brown coat is rock hard and by
> > appearance fully dry. Does it need to cure for a full 30 days or is one
> > week enough time as he says.
> >
> > Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice offered. (flammers
> > and trolls excluded of course)
> >
> > Patrick

> The proper sequence in this instance would be for the Mason to come in
> measure and mark out where the brick is going to go so the color coat
> can be applied abit below this area. This will allow the stucco guy to
> put on the color coat and get out of there. Im the the central valley
> and 1 week is more than sufficent to wait for the brown coat.
>
> The way we do brick on a house that is already color coated is just to
> make sure everything is masked off and work clean.
> Note: there are also many instances where the color goes on after and
> if your guy is reasonably aware masking off the brickwork is not a
> problem. Either way it will look fine. But in fairness to the stucco
> guy let him get out of there.

This is pretty much what we decided to do. Our stucco contractor will
come back and finish up first and then my brick/concrete guy will just
have to be very careful with his work.

Thank you very much for the suggestions.


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