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breezeway collar ties part 2? M 11-26-2006
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Posted by M on November 26, 2006, 4:47 pm
should I bother with collar ties in this breezeway? It is only 8x10 and the
cathedral ceilings will be done in vee match pine.

http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8537.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8539.JPG




Posted by marson on November 26, 2006, 8:38 pm

M (nospam) wrote:
> should I bother with collar ties in this breezeway? It is only 8x10 and the
> cathedral ceilings will be done in vee match pine.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8537.JPG
>
> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8539.JPG

I don't think there is anyone here who is going to tell you that what
you have will work. it MIGHT work, being only 8 x 10, but it might
not. you haven't told us about snow load in your area, but judging
from the species of trees in your photos, you have some snow.

if it were mine, i would install a ridge beam. then the fact that your
rafters are not installed as opposing pairs becomes a non issue. why
not do it right the first time instead of worrying about it later? it
isn't too late. you can butt one under your ridge board, so that it is
carried by the beam. (you should joist hangar your rafters to the ridge
board). you will have to header off the openings on either end, and
install a post below either end of your beam down to the header. given
that the framing is all exposed, and the small loads involved, this
should be no big deal.


Posted by on November 28, 2006, 6:09 am
What I like is the detail highlighted in red

http://i11.tinypic.com/473uotj.jpg

You used 2 different sizes for your rafters?
and you used beadboard not plywood so you were expecting
to have that area exposed?

I dont know how you are going to handel that area
maybe you can string a line up to the ridge and
get a electric hand planer heh

sorry i dont mean to pick your work apart : )

you better just put a ceiling in there and hide it

http://i14.tinypic.com/2lc7am0.jpg

Maybe that will give you a better idea of what I was talking about
either drywall or beadboard
and insert some 1" foam board insulation behind the drywall
but keep it next to the drywall so air can get up there

and you are going to have to trim those rafters on the right side

either that or rebuild the roof




> should I bother with collar ties in this breezeway? It is only 8x10 and
> the cathedral ceilings will be done in vee match pine.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8537.JPG
>
> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8539.JPG
>
>
>



Posted by longshot on November 28, 2006, 7:07 am
you don't need collar ties there



Posted by M on November 28, 2006, 6:05 pm
Hey man pretty good picture modifications.... what program did you use to do
that with?....

I am going to cover the area with mor match pine but over the rafters of
course. The vents are in place for cathedral... I just was wondering if I
really needed to have any collar ties. As fo the roof sheathing.... that is
how the kit came and was designed. Part of it is for the overhangs matching
the log siding.... I was wondering the same thing when we put it together
.... but that is what Maine Cedar Log Homes does. The pine is cheaper and
tighter. I also/they used 3"x6" wall studding.... it is very rugged... but
the breezeway was kind of a difficult decision as to what to do. That is
where I had to blend the 16 oc and the 24 oc. I thought it was pretty slick
at the time. But after reading about snow load and collar ties I became
concerned. Same old me... shoot first ask questions later.



> What I like is the detail highlighted in red
>
> http://i11.tinypic.com/473uotj.jpg
>
> You used 2 different sizes for your rafters?
> and you used beadboard not plywood so you were expecting
> to have that area exposed?
>
> I dont know how you are going to handel that area
> maybe you can string a line up to the ridge and
> get a electric hand planer heh
>
> sorry i dont mean to pick your work apart : )
>
> you better just put a ceiling in there and hide it
>
> http://i14.tinypic.com/2lc7am0.jpg
>
> Maybe that will give you a better idea of what I was talking about
> either drywall or beadboard
> and insert some 1" foam board insulation behind the drywall
> but keep it next to the drywall so air can get up there
>
> and you are going to have to trim those rafters on the right side
>
> either that or rebuild the roof
>
>
>
>
>> should I bother with collar ties in this breezeway? It is only 8x10 and
>> the cathedral ceilings will be done in vee match pine.
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8537.JPG
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8539.JPG
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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