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breezeway collar ties part 2? M 11-26-2006
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Posted by Glenn on November 28, 2006, 8:21 pm
Aren't we making a mountain out of a mole hill? Just the
sheathing would keep the walls from spreading and if the walls
can't spread, nothing is going to go down. It's not much bigger
than a dog house for gosh sakes. That's not saying with the weird
spacing it will ever look good. I would probably panel the bottom
to hide it.


> Hey man pretty good picture modifications.... what program did
> you use to do that with?....
>
> I am going to cover the area with mor match pine but over the
> rafters of course. The vents are in place for cathedral... I
> just was wondering if I really needed to have any collar ties.
> As fo the roof sheathing.... that is how the kit came and was
> designed. Part of it is for the overhangs matching the log
> siding.... I was wondering the same thing when we put it
> together .... but that is what Maine Cedar Log Homes does. The
> pine is cheaper and tighter. I also/they used 3"x6" wall
> studding.... it is very rugged... but the breezeway was kind of
> a difficult decision as to what to do. That is where I had to
> blend the 16 oc and the 24 oc. I thought it was pretty slick at
> the time. But after reading about snow load and collar ties I
> became concerned. Same old me... shoot first ask questions
> later.
>
>
>
>> What I like is the detail highlighted in red
>>
>> http://i11.tinypic.com/473uotj.jpg
>>
>> You used 2 different sizes for your rafters?
>> and you used beadboard not plywood so you were expecting
>> to have that area exposed?
>>
>> I dont know how you are going to handel that area
>> maybe you can string a line up to the ridge and
>> get a electric hand planer heh
>>
>> sorry i dont mean to pick your work apart : )
>>
>> you better just put a ceiling in there and hide it
>>
>> http://i14.tinypic.com/2lc7am0.jpg
>>
>> Maybe that will give you a better idea of what I was talking
>> about
>> either drywall or beadboard
>> and insert some 1" foam board insulation behind the drywall
>> but keep it next to the drywall so air can get up there
>>
>> and you are going to have to trim those rafters on the right
>> side
>>
>> either that or rebuild the roof
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> should I bother with collar ties in this breezeway? It is
>>> only 8x10 and the cathedral ceilings will be done in vee match
>>> pine.
>>>
>>> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8537.JPG
>>>
>>> http://www.geocities.com/guitarage41/DCP_8539.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Posted by Bob Morrison on November 28, 2006, 8:27 pm
In a previous post Glenn wrote...
> Aren't we making a mountain out of a mole hill? Just the
> sheathing would keep the walls from spreading and if the walls
> can't spread, nothing is going to go down. It's not much bigger
> than a dog house for gosh sakes. That's not saying with the weird
> spacing it will ever look good. I would probably panel the bottom
> to hide it.
>

Sheathing will NOT keep the wall from spreading.

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Posted by Matt Whiting on November 28, 2006, 9:09 pm
Bob Morrison wrote:

> In a previous post Glenn wrote...
>
>>Aren't we making a mountain out of a mole hill? Just the
>>sheathing would keep the walls from spreading and if the walls
>>can't spread, nothing is going to go down. It's not much bigger
>>than a dog house for gosh sakes. That's not saying with the weird
>>spacing it will ever look good. I would probably panel the bottom
>>to hide it.
>>
>
>
> Sheathing will NOT keep the wall from spreading.

Yes, that was a pretty funny comment, were it not so potentially dangerous.

Matt

Posted by marson on November 28, 2006, 10:08 pm

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Bob Morrison wrote:
>
> > In a previous post Glenn wrote...
> >
> >>Aren't we making a mountain out of a mole hill? Just the
> >>sheathing would keep the walls from spreading and if the walls
> >>can't spread, nothing is going to go down. It's not much bigger
> >>than a dog house for gosh sakes. That's not saying with the weird
> >>spacing it will ever look good. I would probably panel the bottom
> >>to hide it.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sheathing will NOT keep the wall from spreading.
>
> Yes, that was a pretty funny comment, were it not so potentially dangerous.
>
> Matt

it's especially funny when you realize the roof isn't even sheathed
with plywood!

anyone who can look at a picture from 1000 miles away and state
unequivically that this doesn't need a structural ridge or collar ties
is blowing smoke. true, it's small, and it may be fine. but it may
not. how are the rafters tied to the plates? how are the breezeway
walls tied to the main structure walls? no offense to the OP, but it
doesn't look like it was framed with a high degree of professionalism.
further, it'll probably be fine this winter. but what about 10 winters
from now, or 20 winters? Do you really want to look at a swayback
ridge when you are a old man and think, well, if I had just spent
another hundred bucks and an extra half day on it.... in my youth, i
was guilty of slapping a few things together that I lived to regret.
not a good feeling. do it right and feel good about it, I say.


Posted by longshot on November 29, 2006, 6:14 am

>
> anyone who can look at a picture from 1000 miles away and state
> unequivically that this doesn't need a structural ridge or collar ties
> is blowing smoke. true, it's small, and it may be fine. but it may
> not. how are the rafters tied to the plates? how are the breezeway
> walls tied to the main structure walls? no offense to the OP, but it
> doesn't look like it was framed with a high degree of professionalism.
> further, it'll probably be fine this winter. but what about 10 winters
> from now, or 20 winters? Do you really want to look at a swayback
> ridge when you are a old man and think, well, if I had just spent
> another hundred bucks and an extra half day on it.... in my youth, i
> was guilty of slapping a few things together that I lived to regret.
> not a good feeling. do it right and feel good about it, I say.
>

I am not an engineer. Assuming that you used proper nailing techniques for
the correct size lumber... I would bet my left nut that this little
breezeway does not need collar ties.



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