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ceramic tile underlay over advantech geo.nova 08-11-2007
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Posted by Art on August 14, 2007, 7:14 pm
RicodJour wrote:
>> geo.n...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Can anyone tell me the proper adhesive to secure ceramic tile
>>>>> underlayment (hardiboard or duroc) to advantech subfloor? I know this
>>>>> is done all the time so I assume there is a typical method. Thinset
>>>>> mortar is not recommended for particle board which advantech is.
>>>>> Someone told me liquid nails is what I should use....?
>>>> Liquid Nails and screws.
>>>> --
>>>> NuWave Dave in Houston
>>> Anyone else??
>> Liquid nails and screws is what I've seen done. Thinset is for the tile
>> not the backer board.
>
> Not quite true. The prime enemy of tile is substrate movement.
> Thinset supports the entire backer board, not just a few spots like
> construction adhesive. If your subfloor is dead flat and you've dealt
> with lippage between adjoining sheets by sanding or using a feathering
> compound, the thinset is probably not necessary. I still use it every
> time as it's foolproof and takes care of a lot of issues in one step.
> Bonding layers together provides a far stiffer assembly than screws
> and a bit of glue.
>
>
I will remember that. Thanks, it's a good day when I learn something here.

--
Art


AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by Robert Allison on August 12, 2007, 11:46 am
geo.nova@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Can anyone tell me the proper adhesive to secure ceramic tile
>>>underlayment (hardiboard or duroc) to advantech subfloor? I know this
>>>is done all the time so I assume there is a typical method. Thinset
>>>mortar is not recommended for particle board which advantech is.
>>>Someone told me liquid nails is what I should use....?
>>
>> Liquid Nails and screws.
>>
>>--
>>NuWave Dave in Houston
>
>
> Anyone else??
>

First of all, I would seal the particle board with a product
like RedGard or equivalent.

http://tinyurl.com/2h5leb

That will help to protect it from the inevitable moisture
damage. That done, I would not use liquid nails, but a
product like PL400, which is self shimming.

http://www.doityourself.com/invt/4165965

What that means is that if there are variations in floor
heighth (an uneven floor), the PL400 will fill AND SUPPORT the
gaps between the particle board and the hardibacker. This
reduces flex which is the enemy of tile installations.

In addition, I would use screws to mechanically fasten the
hardibacker. The PL400 will help to bridge depressions and
bond the substrates together and the screws will pull the two
surfaces together tightly. The entire system serves to
eliminate flex.

Finally another application of Red Guard over the seams to
eliminate as much water intrusion onto the particle board as
possible.

The best possible application would be to replace the particle
board with plywood, but you did not ask that question. Also,
make sure that you have at least 1-1/4" of support under the tile.

--
Robert Allison        
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

Posted by RicodJour on August 13, 2007, 8:57 am
On Aug 11, 1:47 pm, geo.n...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Can anyone tell me the proper adhesive to secure ceramic tile
> underlayment (hardiboard or duroc) to advantech subfloor? I know this
> is done all the time so I assume there is a typical method. Thinset
> mortar is not recommended for particle board which advantech is.
> Someone told me liquid nails is what I should use....?

Advantech is billed as being water resistant, though not for long term
exposure. I seriously doubt you'd have a problem with directly
attaching the backer board with thinset or mastic. If you're
concerned, you could seal the Advantech before using the thinset, and/
or you could use an alternative system such as Schluter's Ditra.
http://www.johnbridge.com/ceramic_tile_floors_ditra.htm It's a bit
more expensive, but it's waterproof, serves as an uncoupling membrane
(no cracks) and it's easy to install.

Check out the John Bridge tile forums - excellent tiling resource.
http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/index.php

R


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