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insulation after drywall for ceiling? or before? beerguzzler50 08-28-2006
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Posted by on August 28, 2006, 10:08 pm
I am about to drywall and insulate my detached garage ceiling. Instead
of stapling the kraft faced pink fiberglass insulation to the ceiling
joists, I was thinking I could save a step by sheetrocking the ceiling
first and then dropping in the insulation (paper side down) and save
myself the stapling. Will I have a vapor barrier issue, or is this a
bad Idea?


Posted by Italian Mason on August 28, 2006, 10:19 pm
this is way more work..... not to mention trying to manuver in the
attic space and not putting a foot or leg through the celing.. Another
alternative to think of is blown in insulation the COCOON brand
(recycled paper treated) is way less exspensive than bats and you can
do it yourself with a rental unit.


beerguzzle...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am about to drywall and insulate my detached garage ceiling. Instead
> of stapling the kraft faced pink fiberglass insulation to the ceiling
> joists, I was thinking I could save a step by sheetrocking the ceiling
> first and then dropping in the insulation (paper side down) and save
> myself the stapling. Will I have a vapor barrier issue, or is this a
> bad Idea?


Posted by J.A. Michel on August 28, 2006, 11:25 pm

>I am about to drywall and insulate my detached garage ceiling. Instead
> of stapling the kraft faced pink fiberglass insulation to the ceiling
> joists, I was thinking I could save a step by sheetrocking the ceiling
> first and then dropping in the insulation (paper side down) and save
> myself the stapling. Will I have a vapor barrier issue, or is this a
> bad Idea?
>

I just did the very same job in my garage a few months ago with R-38 batts.
You want to insulate first and then put up the sheetrock.
MUCH easier and more precise than trying to maneuver in the in the attic and
do it afterward.



Posted by Astro on August 29, 2006, 3:43 pm

beerguzzler50@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am about to drywall and insulate my detached garage ceiling. Instead
> of stapling the kraft faced pink fiberglass insulation to the ceiling
> joists, I was thinking I could save a step by sheetrocking the ceiling
> first and then dropping in the insulation (paper side down) and save
> myself the stapling. Will I have a vapor barrier issue, or is this a
> bad Idea?

This is a bit off topic to your question, but since you mentioned vapor
barriers, I figured it an appropriate thread to inject a comment.

Is the garage going to be a "conditioned space" and have moisture
sources? Will you be using the attic for storage or will it be totally
isolated from the downstairs? Do you live in a hot moist environment or
a cooler one?

A vapor barrier in a garage doesn't make any sense to me. Typically, a
vapor barrier is to prevent moist air from getting into a cold space,
condensing on the cold surfaces, and leading to moisture issues.

In a garage, there's not much of an air envelope so the inside air
would appear to be no different than outside. Perhaps with the doors
all closed, the garage will experience less temperature and humidity
swings than the outside, but overall, it's very different from a house
that is filled with moisture sources that will drive humidity through
the walls/ceiling.

That said, I've not seen many garages that have air sealing between the
attic space and the main garage. Hence a vapor barrier on your ceiling
will do nothing since the humidity throughout the garage would be
relatively uniform.

If I were in your shoes (and I sort of am because I'm just about to
build a detached garage), and I wanted to use the attic space for
storage (which I do), I would put a perforated radiant barrier directly
under the roof deck then insulate the upper cavities so that the outer
shell of the garage is insulated.
It sounds like you're further ahead on the project however. In that
situation, I'd still use a radiant barrier under the roof, then blow
cellulose into the attic space and avoid the pink stuff altogether.


Posted by Glenn on August 29, 2006, 5:27 pm
Don't be talked out of a vapor barrier. I finished my attached
somewhat oversized two car garage with sheetrock after I insulated
the ceiling and walls several years ago then I put in a gas
heater, vented of course, to keep things from freezing with it
staying around 40 in the winter. Just last month, I put in a
washer dryer combo so I don't have to walk down to the basement so
often. So as to not have to vent it where I didn't want to, I got
an electric dryer and it vents into the garage. It gets rather
humid now and I'm glad I did it right years ago.

You might get slow yourself going down to the basement and do the
same thing in years down the road. Cover your butt now. :)

> beerguzzler50@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I am about to drywall and insulate my detached garage
>> ceiling. Instead of stapling the kraft faced pink
>> fiberglass insulation to the ceiling joists, I was
>> thinking I could save a step by sheetrocking the ceiling
>> first and then dropping in the insulation (paper side
>> down) and save myself the stapling. Will I have a vapor
>> barrier issue, or is this a bad Idea?
>
> This is a bit off topic to your question, but since you
> mentioned vapor barriers, I figured it an appropriate
> thread to inject a comment.
>
> Is the garage going to be a "conditioned space" and have
> moisture sources? Will you be using the attic for storage
> or will it be totally isolated from the downstairs? Do
> you live in a hot moist environment or a cooler one?
>
> A vapor barrier in a garage doesn't make any sense to me.
> Typically, a vapor barrier is to prevent moist air from
> getting into a cold space, condensing on the cold
> surfaces, and leading to moisture issues.
>
> In a garage, there's not much of an air envelope so the
> inside air would appear to be no different than outside.
> Perhaps with the doors all closed, the garage will
> experience less temperature and humidity swings than the
> outside, but overall, it's very different from a house
> that is filled with moisture sources that will drive
> humidity through the walls/ceiling.
>
> That said, I've not seen many garages that have air
> sealing between the attic space and the main garage.
> Hence a vapor barrier on your ceiling will do nothing
> since the humidity throughout the garage would be
> relatively uniform.
>
> If I were in your shoes (and I sort of am because I'm
> just about to build a detached garage), and I wanted to
> use the attic space for storage (which I do), I would put
> a perforated radiant barrier directly under the roof deck
> then insulate the upper cavities so that the outer shell
> of the garage is insulated.
> It sounds like you're further ahead on the project
> however. In that situation, I'd still use a radiant
> barrier under the roof, then blow cellulose into the
> attic space and avoid the pink stuff altogether.


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