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is a 10" step code? Carl K 07-26-2006
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Posted by Carl K on July 27, 2006, 1:39 am
If putting in stairs will bring it up to code, then the builder has an "out."
Ron wanted to be able to walk between the work area and the car on the same
level, like your basic auto shop.

I was hoping to hear it was enough of a screw up that they would have to rip out
the current cement and do it again.

filling it with cement seems like the answer.

Thanks for the comments.

Shannon Pate wrote:
> I'm not convinced that there is a code violation here. I'll check the IRC
> 2003 tomorrow to be sure.
>
> I don't believe the code says that you would have to have a "stair" here.
> Its less than 30" so you wouldn't even have to have a guardrail.
>
> Now, if you decide to install stairs between these two floors, those stairs
> would have to meet the codes which would include a maximum riser height of 7
> 3/4" and a minimum tread depth of 10".
>
> Shannon Pate
>
>> Call the local building department... and let them deal with this
>> through the building permit..definate violation not matter what state
>> you are in. I would take this as a sign that bigger in not always
>> better......and keep an eye on this guys subs.
>> Carl K wrote:
>>> Friend of mine is having a house built by David Weekly Homes (huge
>>> builder.)
>>>
>>> He was expecting to get a garage floor like this:
>>> http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/IMG_8954.JPG.html
>>>
>>> and now has this:
>>>
http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/album_001/IMG_9720.JPG.html
>>>
>>> The ledge you see is 10" on the far end and 14" on the other.
>>>
>>> There is not going to be a wall on that ledge - the garage was to be part
>>> car
>>> parking, part work shop with a 'small step' between the 2 to keep car
>>> gunk (like
>>> snow) from invading the work space.
>>>
>>> The builder currently is not going to change it.
>>>
>>> 10" is a bit of a step. I am wondering if it isn't a code violation,
>>> which
>>> should compel the builder to do something.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any advice?
>>>
>>> Carl K
>
>

Posted by Mike on July 26, 2006, 11:55 pm
carl@personnelware.com says...
> Friend of mine is having a house built by David Weekly Homes (huge builder.)
>
> He was expecting to get a garage floor like this:
> http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/IMG_8954.JPG.html
>
> and now has this:
>
http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/album_001/IMG_9720.JPG.html
>
> The ledge you see is 10" on the far end and 14" on the other.
>
> There is not going to be a wall on that ledge - the garage was to be part car
> parking, part work shop with a 'small step' between the 2 to keep car gunk
(like
> snow) from invading the work space.
>
> The builder currently is not going to change it.
>
> 10" is a bit of a step. I am wondering if it isn't a code violation, which
> should compel the builder to do something.
>

To comply with the IRC the builder needs to build a stairway (one step)
from the 'parking area level' to the 'shop area level'. Resulting in two
risers between 5" to 7" tall ... depending on it's location. Guard
rails are not required because the difference between the two walking
surfaces is less than 30". A hand rail at the stairway is not required
because there will only be two risers. .... I'm going from memory ...
code books are at work.



Posted by DarthClown@yahoo.com on July 28, 2006, 3:25 am
I'd be interested in knowing what exactly, was on the plans. Was a 10"
step in the drawings? Was any step spec'd? Because if it doesn't match
the plans, than the building permit office would probably be interested
in talking to the contractor.


Carl K wrote:
> Friend of mine is having a house built by David Weekly Homes (huge builder.)
>
> He was expecting to get a garage floor like this:
> http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/IMG_8954.JPG.html
>
> and now has this:
>
http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/album_001/IMG_9720.JPG.html
>
> The ledge you see is 10" on the far end and 14" on the other.
>
> There is not going to be a wall on that ledge - the garage was to be part car
> parking, part work shop with a 'small step' between the 2 to keep car gunk
(like
> snow) from invading the work space.
>
> The builder currently is not going to change it.
>
> 10" is a bit of a step. I am wondering if it isn't a code violation, which
> should compel the builder to do something.
>
> Anyone have any advice?
>
> Carl K


Posted by Plan Review Section on August 7, 2006, 7:24 pm
It's doubtful that it's a code violation (unless the water heater is located
in the garage area-18 inch min.).
I don't believe that it could qualify as being a "stairway". Still, he
could check with the local building department to see if they would rule
this a "stairway".
(The maximum rise allowed is 7-3/4 inch and this does present a tripping
hazard in moving from one level to another.)
If they did rule that way, the builder would then be responsible for the
correction.

The fix is simple enough, pour another layer of concrete onto the existing
pad. The question is, who's paying? The builder knows how much cost is
involved, and no doubt he will fight it all the way to court. (Is your
friend willing to pay an extra $grand to have it fixd? May be the only way.)

One other (less desirable possibility) is to frame out the garage section
and leave just a passage way into the shop area. The treat that small 3 ft.
section as a stairs and add a second step to create a true stairway. The
builder would probably be willing to bear this cost (as it's minor) and your
friend would have some relief in that it would appear aesthetically
appealing and have a feel that it was planned that way. (Something to
consider.)



> Friend of mine is having a house built by David Weekly Homes (huge
> builder.)
>
> He was expecting to get a garage floor like this:
> http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/IMG_8954.JPG.html
>
> and now has this:
>
http://www.rondarling.name/pics/v/rondarling/mynewhouse/album_001/IMG_9720.JPG.html
>
> The ledge you see is 10" on the far end and 14" on the other.
>
> There is not going to be a wall on that ledge - the garage was to be part
> car parking, part work shop with a 'small step' between the 2 to keep car
> gunk (like snow) from invading the work space.
>
> The builder currently is not going to change it.
>
> 10" is a bit of a step. I am wondering if it isn't a code violation,
> which should compel the builder to do something.
>
> Anyone have any advice?
>
> Carl K



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