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Posted by RicodJour on September 4, 2006, 4:06 pm
kevinfishburne@gmail.com wrote:
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> The structure will be built in the suburbs of Atlanta, GA (USA), and
> will be my primary residence. I do plan on having an architect give
> unofficial approval of the final design before construction begins
Oh, well then, if you're getting unofficial approval it should be
unofficially okay.
R
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Posted by on September 4, 2006, 4:44 pm
Thanks JerryD(upstateNY) and RicodJour for those highly useful last
comments. My original question has been answered, and I was responding
to additional questions DanG had raised. Let's try to keep things
solution-oriented rather than "you don't know what you're doing and are
going to die"-oriented. Jeeze...
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Posted by RicodJour on September 5, 2006, 10:55 am
kevinfishburne@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks JerryD(upstateNY) and RicodJour for those highly useful last
> comments. My original question has been answered, and I was responding
> to additional questions DanG had raised. Let's try to keep things
> solution-oriented rather than "you don't know what you're doing and are
> going to die"-oriented. Jeeze...
You wrote this:
"3) Assuming my questions are founded in perverse misunderstanding and
ignorance, what would your run-of-the-mill mason do in this situation?
"
I did not realize you were being factual in asking us to make that
assumption.
You asked some questions about a project that I wouldn't hand to a "run
of the mill" mason. You asked questions that made it obvious that you
are playing with some computer software to design your dream house and
that you have no clue about construction.
Your comment about asking an architect for an "unofficial approval" is
inane. If you're playing at being a big boy and taking risks, well,
hell, just do it. What's the worst that could happen? If you're done
playing at being a big boy and want to actually do what the big boys
do, then get professional help when you need it (now). The few bucks
spent will keep you from spinning your wheels and wasting your time.
BTW, DIY does not mean reinventing the wheel. There's no shame in
learning from a professional, even if you have to pay them.
R
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Posted by Italian Mason on September 5, 2006, 11:42 am
Kevin,
I read your description of the project details and minus the negative
comments Im sorry but I have to agree with JerryD. I appreciate your
DIY attitude because I myself very rarely hire out stuf I have to do at
home. But part of being strong is realizing our weaknesses and when it
is smart to let others take over+++++++this is not a homeowner
project++++++
the general design and orintation you could do but even this
may/probably will be changed drasticly from your vision because of eng.
and building code issuses. This is just one of the issues, you will
need several people to be able to lay the block even at the ground
level and more once you get onto the scaffold----32' high is 6-7 frames
high of scaffold (one frame every 7 feet x 6 or 7 high) ....scaffold
that must be the length of the wall which will be working on and will
include planks, mud boards, mud stands, a pulley or lift to get the
block and mud up you will need some one on the ground at all times to
mix and chase materials you will need to get the rebar up there you
will need somebody cleanning the joints and more than likely the block
since you have not laid block before++PLEASE NOTE++ split face is THE
HARDEST TO KEEP CLEAN once you get mud on the face its very hard if not
impossiable to get IT off. You are going to need even more scaffold for
the floor area because unless you do each wall individually you will
still need to build leads around the corners ready for the next wall.
you will need a comercial mixer, a rebar bender and cutter, a mud box,
a gas cut off saw a forklift to move the pallets and pallets of block
and cement around you will need a couple of wheelburrros, lots of
string line, chicken leggs........shall I go on? Not to mention the
fact that not knowing how to lay block....even if you did know how and
were an accomplished mason you can really only lay (trying to do all
this yourself) a few hundred block a day if that. The average
apprentice union mason is expexted to lay about 3-400 block a day and
thats with a support team..you will have to have all open end block to
get over the rebar which are much more exspensive than standard splits
if this partition wall is going to be exsposed inside you will need
dbl.splits which are again more than reg and even open ends. Not to
mention the sheer pain in your back, legs, and arms from lifting the
blocks even if your 25 years old.
Again I don t want to smash your dreams but this is not for you. Think
of it this way even if you were to do everything with help from friends
the amount you would spend in equipment rental or purchase would pay
for the project to be done by someone else. and if this is a house you
are going to need the energy to deal with the countless hours of other
crap that is going to come up and believe me it will.....
kevinfishburne@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks JerryD(upstateNY) and RicodJour for those highly useful last
> comments. My original question has been answered, and I was responding
> to additional questions DanG had raised. Let's try to keep things
> solution-oriented rather than "you don't know what you're doing and are
> going to die"-oriented. Jeeze...
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Posted by JerryD\(upstateNY\) on September 5, 2006, 11:55 am
Let's try to keep things solution-oriented rather than "you don't know what
you're doing and are going to die"-oriented. Jeeze...
The solution oriented answer is for you to get an engineer to draw up what
you want and the get a mason contractor to erect it.
I didn't say anything to be funny.
You have no idea what you are getting yourself into.
I have seen block walls blow down on construction jobs where everyone knew
what they were doing.
And getting yourself killed isn't to be ignored with a "jeeze".
JerryD(upstateNY)
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