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noise problem in community room monz 10-19-2006
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Posted by monz on October 19, 2006, 9:18 pm
I designed and built a 3800sqft community building in our town's park a
few years ago. It consists of a storage garage, men's and women's
restrooms, a kitchen and a 40' x 40' community room - all designed to
look like an old train station. The community room is in constant use
year round for park department functions, service organization
meetings, Santa's House and is rented nearly every weekend for
reunions, receptions, parties, etc. This space is roomy and well lit,
has a massive stone fireplace with gas logs and the 10' ceilings rise
from the middle of the room into a soaring 12/12 catherdral ceiling.
The kitchen has a tambour serving door into the main room and the acid
stained concrete slab is pretty much indestructible. Everything has
worked out very well except for one very annoying flaw - the accoustics
are awful. The sound bounces around that space making the din of a
large group of people nearly unbearable. It is difficult to hear the
speaker at even small meetings and when the kids are in there on rainy
Park Program days the cacophony is incredible.
I realize the easiest and cheapest solution would be to carpet this
space, but with the heavy and often rough use it gets even the best
carpet would soon be filthy and/or ruined. With the Town's limited
budget, I've thought about Homasote sheets wrapped in burlap on the
available wall space and I've looked online at manufactured accoustic
panels. Anybody have any insight or great ideas about how to get a lot
of bang for our buck with some basic sound deadening? Thanks.


Posted by John Reddy on October 20, 2006, 6:56 am

> I designed and built a 3800sqft community building in our town's park a
> few years ago. It consists of a storage garage, men's and women's
> restrooms, a kitchen and a 40' x 40' community room - all designed to
> look like an old train station. The community room is in constant use
> year round for park department functions, service organization
> meetings, Santa's House and is rented nearly every weekend for
> reunions, receptions, parties, etc. This space is roomy and well lit,
> has a massive stone fireplace with gas logs and the 10' ceilings rise
> from the middle of the room into a soaring 12/12 catherdral ceiling.
> The kitchen has a tambour serving door into the main room and the acid
> stained concrete slab is pretty much indestructible. Everything has
> worked out very well except for one very annoying flaw - the accoustics
> are awful. The sound bounces around that space making the din of a
> large group of people nearly unbearable. It is difficult to hear the
> speaker at even small meetings and when the kids are in there on rainy
> Park Program days the cacophony is incredible.
> I realize the easiest and cheapest solution would be to carpet this
> space, but with the heavy and often rough use it gets even the best
> carpet would soon be filthy and/or ruined. With the Town's limited
> budget, I've thought about Homasote sheets wrapped in burlap on the
> available wall space and I've looked online at manufactured accoustic
> panels. Anybody have any insight or great ideas about how to get a lot
> of bang for our buck with some basic sound deadening? Thanks.

If you can't carpet the floor, carpet the walls. Tapestries have a
great sound absorbing effect. You can use cheap area rugs.

Please, no dogs playing poker or Elvis on velvet.

Posted by DanG on October 20, 2006, 7:23 am
Look into Tectum.

You may be able to create a decorative band or framed "picture"
type wall groupings. I did this to an Army Guard assembly area.
Huge, hangar-type facility, cement floor, CMU walls, exposed high
ceilinged deck all made for a space that made talking impossible.
The architect/engineer designed a pattern of aluminum framed
Tectum panels spaced evenly around the space. As I recall, the
bottom of the 8 foot panels started about 8' off the floor on
sidewalls over 20 ' tall. They were spaced about 6 feet apart.
I was amazed at the difference the panels made

Tectum is made for sound attenuation. It is used in many gyms as
the ceiling. Here is some information:
http://www.tectum.com/interior.htm# You might look particularly
at their Clouds and Baffles section.
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
dgriff237@7cox.net



>I designed and built a 3800sqft community building in our town's
>park a
> few years ago. It consists of a storage garage, men's and
> women's
> restrooms, a kitchen and a 40' x 40' community room - all
> designed to
> look like an old train station. The community room is in
> constant use
> year round for park department functions, service organization
> meetings, Santa's House and is rented nearly every weekend for
> reunions, receptions, parties, etc. This space is roomy and
> well lit,
> has a massive stone fireplace with gas logs and the 10' ceilings
> rise
> from the middle of the room into a soaring 12/12 catherdral
> ceiling.
> The kitchen has a tambour serving door into the main room and
> the acid
> stained concrete slab is pretty much indestructible. Everything
> has
> worked out very well except for one very annoying flaw - the
> accoustics
> are awful. The sound bounces around that space making the din of
> a
> large group of people nearly unbearable. It is difficult to
> hear the
> speaker at even small meetings and when the kids are in there on
> rainy
> Park Program days the cacophony is incredible.
> I realize the easiest and cheapest solution would be to carpet
> this
> space, but with the heavy and often rough use it gets even the
> best
> carpet would soon be filthy and/or ruined. With the Town's
> limited
> budget, I've thought about Homasote sheets wrapped in burlap on
> the
> available wall space and I've looked online at manufactured
> accoustic
> panels. Anybody have any insight or great ideas about how to
> get a lot
> of bang for our buck with some basic sound deadening? Thanks.
>



Posted by monz on October 20, 2006, 11:23 pm
Thanks DanG


DanG wrote:
> Look into Tectum.
>
> You may be able to create a decorative band or framed "picture"
> type wall groupings. I did this to an Army Guard assembly area.
> Huge, hangar-type facility, cement floor, CMU walls, exposed high
> ceilinged deck all made for a space that made talking impossible.
> The architect/engineer designed a pattern of aluminum framed
> Tectum panels spaced evenly around the space. As I recall, the
> bottom of the 8 foot panels started about 8' off the floor on
> sidewalls over 20 ' tall. They were spaced about 6 feet apart.
> I was amazed at the difference the panels made
>
> Tectum is made for sound attenuation. It is used in many gyms as
> the ceiling. Here is some information:
> http://www.tectum.com/interior.htm# You might look particularly
> at their Clouds and Baffles section.
> ______________________________
> Keep the whole world singing . . . .
> DanG (remove the sevens)
> dgriff237@7cox.net
>
>
>
> >I designed and built a 3800sqft community building in our town's
> >park a
> > few years ago. It consists of a storage garage, men's and
> > women's
> > restrooms, a kitchen and a 40' x 40' community room - all
> > designed to
> > look like an old train station. The community room is in
> > constant use
> > year round for park department functions, service organization
> > meetings, Santa's House and is rented nearly every weekend for
> > reunions, receptions, parties, etc. This space is roomy and
> > well lit,
> > has a massive stone fireplace with gas logs and the 10' ceilings
> > rise
> > from the middle of the room into a soaring 12/12 catherdral
> > ceiling.
> > The kitchen has a tambour serving door into the main room and
> > the acid
> > stained concrete slab is pretty much indestructible. Everything
> > has
> > worked out very well except for one very annoying flaw - the
> > accoustics
> > are awful. The sound bounces around that space making the din of
> > a
> > large group of people nearly unbearable. It is difficult to
> > hear the
> > speaker at even small meetings and when the kids are in there on
> > rainy
> > Park Program days the cacophony is incredible.
> > I realize the easiest and cheapest solution would be to carpet
> > this
> > space, but with the heavy and often rough use it gets even the
> > best
> > carpet would soon be filthy and/or ruined. With the Town's
> > limited
> > budget, I've thought about Homasote sheets wrapped in burlap on
> > the
> > available wall space and I've looked online at manufactured
> > accoustic
> > panels. Anybody have any insight or great ideas about how to
> > get a lot
> > of bang for our buck with some basic sound deadening? Thanks.
> >


Posted by tbasc@bellsouth.net on October 20, 2006, 7:50 am

monz wrote:
> I designed and built a 3800sqft community building in our town's park a
> few years ago. It consists of a storage garage, men's and women's
> restrooms, a kitchen and a 40' x 40' community room - all designed to
> look like an old train station. The community room is in constant use
> year round for park department functions, service organization
> meetings, Santa's House and is rented nearly every weekend for
> reunions, receptions, parties, etc. This space is roomy and well lit,
> has a massive stone fireplace with gas logs and the 10' ceilings rise
> from the middle of the room into a soaring 12/12 catherdral ceiling.
> The kitchen has a tambour serving door into the main room and the acid
> stained concrete slab is pretty much indestructible. Everything has
> worked out very well except for one very annoying flaw - the accoustics
> are awful. The sound bounces around that space making the din of a
> large group of people nearly unbearable. It is difficult to hear the
> speaker at even small meetings and when the kids are in there on rainy
> Park Program days the cacophony is incredible.
> I realize the easiest and cheapest solution would be to carpet this
> space, but with the heavy and often rough use it gets even the best
> carpet would soon be filthy and/or ruined. With the Town's limited
> budget, I've thought about Homasote sheets wrapped in burlap on the
> available wall space and I've looked online at manufactured accoustic
> panels. Anybody have any insight or great ideas about how to get a lot
> of bang for our buck with some basic sound deadening? Thanks.

Sound absorbing batt insulation in the cathedral ceiling would help.
Wood strips with screen between could cover the batts.
TB


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