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Posted by Matt Whiting on October 20, 2006, 5:04 pm
Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Raider Bill wrote...
>
>>Well, I'm back to a wood frame house 3-2 with attached 2.5 garage. I
>>like the Barn home look, something like 40x 48 with a 24x40
>>greatroom/kitchen. Single story with a 12 ft ceiling peak in the great
>>room. Bedrooms would be on either end and attached garage in back.
>>My shop will still probaley be metal but detached and out of sight.
>>Now the next questions, post and beam or stick frame?, crwal space or
>>slab on grade, regular or extra crispy..................
>>I like the post and beam inside look.
>>My brain is on overload...............
>>
>
>
> Bill:
>
> For energy efficient post and beam you might think about using SIPS. You
> erect the post and beam frame then infill with SIPS. They provide both
> lateral force resistance and energy (and sound) resistance.

Bob, how much experience do you have with SIPS? They look good in
theory, but I've heard a few folks that had problems with them in roof
applications. The scuttlebutt is that the top layer of OSB gets damp
during humid periods followed by cooler weather. Since the underside of
the OSB is effectively sealed by the foam, the moisture can only go back
through the shingles from whence it came and hence problems with mold
and rot.

I haven't seen this myself, but one of the professor in a recent
graduate course I took is a structural engineer for a timber frame
company and he said they haven't had good lunch with SIPS in roofs
unless they fur the top and apply a second layer of sheathing to allow
air circulation between the top layer of the SIP and the sheathing.
Obviously, this requires installation of soffit and ridge vents.


Matt

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Posted by Bob Morrison on October 20, 2006, 7:46 pm
In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
> Bob, how much experience do you have with SIPS? They look good in
> theory, but I've heard a few folks that had problems with them in roof
> applications. The scuttlebutt is that the top layer of OSB gets damp
> during humid periods followed by cooler weather. Since the underside of
> the OSB is effectively sealed by the foam, the moisture can only go back
> through the shingles from whence it came and hence problems with mold
> and rot.
>
> I haven't seen this myself, but one of the professor in a recent
> graduate course I took is a structural engineer for a timber frame
> company and he said they haven't had good lunch with SIPS in roofs
> unless they fur the top and apply a second layer of sheathing to allow
> air circulation between the top layer of the SIP and the sheathing.
> Obviously, this requires installation of soffit and ridge vents.
>

Matt:

I haven't heard about any problems. Perhaps it is because the few
projects I've been involved with had metal roofs, which tend to breathe a
bit better than conventional roofing.

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Posted by Matt Whiting on October 20, 2006, 9:20 pm
Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
>
>>Bob, how much experience do you have with SIPS? They look good in
>>theory, but I've heard a few folks that had problems with them in roof
>>applications. The scuttlebutt is that the top layer of OSB gets damp
>>during humid periods followed by cooler weather. Since the underside of
>>the OSB is effectively sealed by the foam, the moisture can only go back
>>through the shingles from whence it came and hence problems with mold
>>and rot.
>>
>>I haven't seen this myself, but one of the professor in a recent
>>graduate course I took is a structural engineer for a timber frame
>>company and he said they haven't had good lunch with SIPS in roofs
>>unless they fur the top and apply a second layer of sheathing to allow
>>air circulation between the top layer of the SIP and the sheathing.
>>Obviously, this requires installation of soffit and ridge vents.
>>
>
>
> Matt:
>
> I haven't heard about any problems. Perhaps it is because the few
> projects I've been involved with had metal roofs, which tend to breathe a
> bit better than conventional roofing.

Yes, metal almost always has stiffening seams of some sort that provide
a path for ventilation. My professor was talking about asphalt shingled
roofs located in the Vermont/NH area mainly. I haven't heard of
problems in my area, but then I've seen very few buildings put up using
SIPS. Had I chosen timber frame rather than logs for my house, I would
have used SIPS.


Matt

Posted by Raider Bill on October 21, 2006, 2:05 am
I've heard SIPS mentioned before somewhere else. What are they? Pre
made panels with foam and plywood?
I do want a metal roof, but am open to siding and interior wall
suggestions. I do want the log look.

I'm leaning way towards a crawl space. I like to access and being able
to get under there to run whatever may need to be such as wires, pipes
and even some storage. I have that here at my house in Fl, very
uncommon in this area and have used it many times.

I was going to slab on grade then stamp and stain the concrete, call it
done but I kept coming back to the crawl space access.

This project has been down sized a bunch since inception, the 12 foot
ceilings may shrink.

I have a bunch to do before building, this and has nothing,

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Bob Morrison wrote:
> > In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
> >
> >>Bob, how much experience do you have with SIPS? They look good in
> >>theory, but I've heard a few folks that had problems with them in roof
> >>applications. The scuttlebutt is that the top layer of OSB gets damp
> >>during humid periods followed by cooler weather. Since the underside of
> >>the OSB is effectively sealed by the foam, the moisture can only go back
> >>through the shingles from whence it came and hence problems with mold
> >>and rot.
> >>
> >>I haven't seen this myself, but one of the professor in a recent
> >>graduate course I took is a structural engineer for a timber frame
> >>company and he said they haven't had good lunch with SIPS in roofs
> >>unless they fur the top and apply a second layer of sheathing to allow
> >>air circulation between the top layer of the SIP and the sheathing.
> >>Obviously, this requires installation of soffit and ridge vents.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Matt:
> >
> > I haven't heard about any problems. Perhaps it is because the few
> > projects I've been involved with had metal roofs, which tend to breathe a
> > bit better than conventional roofing.
>
> Yes, metal almost always has stiffening seams of some sort that provide
> a path for ventilation. My professor was talking about asphalt shingled
> roofs located in the Vermont/NH area mainly. I haven't heard of
> problems in my area, but then I've seen very few buildings put up using
> SIPS. Had I chosen timber frame rather than logs for my house, I would
> have used SIPS.
>
>
> Matt


Posted by Raider Bill on October 21, 2006, 2:05 am
I've heard SIPS mentioned before somewhere else. What are they? Pre
made panels with foam and plywood?
I do want a metal roof, but am open to siding and interior wall
suggestions. I do want the log look.

I'm leaning way towards a crawl space. I like to access and being able
to get under there to run whatever may need to be such as wires, pipes
and even some storage. I have that here at my house in Fl, very
uncommon in this area and have used it many times.

I was going to slab on grade then stamp and stain the concrete, call it
done but I kept coming back to the crawl space access.

This project has been down sized a bunch since inception, the 12 foot
ceilings may shrink.

I have a bunch to do before building, this and has nothing,

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Bob Morrison wrote:
> > In a previous post Matt Whiting wrote...
> >
> >>Bob, how much experience do you have with SIPS? They look good in
> >>theory, but I've heard a few folks that had problems with them in roof
> >>applications. The scuttlebutt is that the top layer of OSB gets damp
> >>during humid periods followed by cooler weather. Since the underside of
> >>the OSB is effectively sealed by the foam, the moisture can only go back
> >>through the shingles from whence it came and hence problems with mold
> >>and rot.
> >>
> >>I haven't seen this myself, but one of the professor in a recent
> >>graduate course I took is a structural engineer for a timber frame
> >>company and he said they haven't had good lunch with SIPS in roofs
> >>unless they fur the top and apply a second layer of sheathing to allow
> >>air circulation between the top layer of the SIP and the sheathing.
> >>Obviously, this requires installation of soffit and ridge vents.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Matt:
> >
> > I haven't heard about any problems. Perhaps it is because the few
> > projects I've been involved with had metal roofs, which tend to breathe a
> > bit better than conventional roofing.
>
> Yes, metal almost always has stiffening seams of some sort that provide
> a path for ventilation. My professor was talking about asphalt shingled
> roofs located in the Vermont/NH area mainly. I haven't heard of
> problems in my area, but then I've seen very few buildings put up using
> SIPS. Had I chosen timber frame rather than logs for my house, I would
> have used SIPS.
>
>
> Matt


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