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strong concrete block walls PaulS 04-10-2008
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Posted by PaulS on April 10, 2008, 3:06 pm
Hello, I will build a concrete block wall 4 blocks high for a garage. Three
of the courses will be below grade. I want to make this wall as strong as
practically possible. (I could not use a poured wall because of access
problems). I live in a freeze/thaw area. I want to use some rebar in the
cores for strength. Should these cores with rebar be filled with concrete
or mortar? Also anything I can do to prevent cracking from the freeze/thaw
cycles? Would a control joint on each wall make sense? Thanks, paul



Posted by Glenn on April 10, 2008, 6:28 pm
First of all lets start with the height. 3 blocks ie
24" down isn't deep enough for a freeze thaw area.


> Hello, I will build a concrete block wall 4 blocks
> high for a garage. Three of the courses will be
> below grade. I want to make this wall as strong as
> practically possible. (I could not use a poured wall
> because of access problems). I live in a freeze/thaw
> area. I want to use some rebar in the cores for
> strength. Should these cores with rebar be filled
> with concrete or mortar? Also anything I can do to
> prevent cracking from the freeze/thaw cycles? Would
> a control joint on each wall make sense? Thanks,
> paul
>


Posted by marson on April 10, 2008, 8:12 pm
> First of all lets start with the height. 3 blocks ie
> 24" down isn't deep enough for a freeze thaw area.
>
>
>
> > Hello, I will build a concrete block wall 4 blocks
> > high for a garage. Three of the courses will be
> > below grade. I want to make this wall as strong as
> > practically possible. (I could not use a poured wall
> > because of access problems). I live in a freeze/thaw
> > area. I want to use some rebar in the cores for
> > strength. Should these cores with rebar be filled
> > with concrete or mortar? Also anything I can do to
> > prevent cracking from the freeze/thaw cycles? Would
> > a control joint on each wall make sense? Thanks,
> > paul



Not sure what you are trying to accomplish. What do you mean by
"freeze thaw"? Obviously, you need to be below the frost depth in
your area or no amount of rebar will save you.

If you are concerned about lateral force, then core fill with
concrete. A bond beam would help, though it's hard to see why it
would be necessary on three courses. I assume you are filling the
center and prepping for a slab---in that case the slab and fill would
prevent the wall from pushing in.

No need for control joints.


Posted by DanG on April 11, 2008, 7:15 am
The block will need a concrete footing below frost line wide
enough to carry the dead and live loads imposed based on the
bearing capacity of the soil. Vertical steel in concrete filled
block cells at 4' on center and at each side of any openings
should be adequate for your needs. A 16" wide by 8" deep footing
with at least 2 #5 bars horizontal should be adequate for the
footing.

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> Hello, I will build a concrete block wall 4 blocks high for a
> garage. Three of the courses will be below grade. I want to
> make this wall as strong as practically possible. (I could not
> use a poured wall because of access problems). I live in a
> freeze/thaw area. I want to use some rebar in the cores for
> strength. Should these cores with rebar be filled with concrete
> or mortar? Also anything I can do to prevent cracking from the
> freeze/thaw cycles? Would a control joint on each wall make
> sense? Thanks, paul
>



Posted by PaulS on April 11, 2008, 2:16 pm

> Hello, I will build a concrete block wall 4 blocks high for a garage.
> Three of the courses will be below grade. I want to make this wall as
> strong as practically possible. (I could not use a poured wall because of
> access problems). I live in a freeze/thaw area. I want to use some rebar
> in the cores for strength. Should these cores with rebar be filled with
> concrete or mortar? Also anything I can do to prevent cracking from the
> freeze/thaw cycles? Would a control joint on each wall make sense?
> Thanks, paul
>

Thanks.
Basically I don't want the wall to crack. It will sit on a 8 x 16 footer at
the frost line. The wall will be 4 blocks high with 3 below ground. My
concern was could expansion/contraction from freezing/thawing crack the
wall? And if so, is there anything I can do to prevent this?
I'm not sure this would normally happen, so maybe it's not a problem, but
since I don't know I sent the post. I will use the rebar in the footer and
at 4' as DanG suggested.
Thanks,
Paul



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