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Posted by Glenn on September 27, 2006, 5:01 pm
> Glenn wrote:
> > I wonder what the mortality rate of the cameras would
> > be. 2 x 12 joists falling on them, ladders falling on
> > them, trash bags over them to 'protect' them, hammers
> > that slipped out of the guys hand and flew wild? <G>
> >
> > I was good enough that I didn't care who watched me but
> > I believe I would draw the line on cameras watching me
> > scratch my butt occasionally.
> ...
>
> That'd pretty much be my guess/reaction, too... :)
>
> Some things are pretty much guaranteed to p-o somebody
> and one really shouldn't go out of one's way to make an
> enemy of one's gc. Not conducive to a productive
> relationship, _particularly_ if done w/o
> notification/permission/acknowledgement of the gc.
That's my point. If your gc is good he will do you a nice job but
if you really pee him off, believe me, there are a 100 ways he can
screw you and you will never even know the difference.
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Posted by on September 27, 2006, 6:26 pm
IMO you can expect the workers to destroy the cameras so you might want
to think about disclosing they are there, due to recording laws that
might require it, and have a clause that vandalism or theft are cause
for immediate dismissal, and termination of the contract, with the only
pay due them at the point of termination being for work already
correctly done. If you can find a contractor willign to work under
that, more power to ya. I don't blame you for wantign to keep an eye
on things. A lot of shortcuts are going on, and can be covered over
quickly. Video of the work in progress would give you documentation
that it was done wrong even if you could not be there all day to catch
it. I have certainly worked in conditions where I'd have resented a
camera and suspected there were cameras, but I would never disable it.
I do my job regardless if anyone's watching. And if they want to watch
me scratch my ass, that's their problem. Good luck with this.
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Posted by dpb on September 27, 2006, 6:49 pm
Glenn wrote:
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> That's my point. If your gc is good he will do you a nice job but
> if you really pee him off, believe me, there are a 100 ways he can
> screw you and you will never even know the difference.
Yep, and if he's not, having a camera around to look in on every so
often isn't going to do a lot to improve his performance.
I can understand OP's idea was probably innocent enough, but it doesn't
relate well to reality. One wonders whether he would feel kindly
towards his employer if they were to announce the starting of keystroke
monitoring (recognizing that there are places which do it, I'm
presuming he's not in such a line of work).
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Posted by HockeyFan on September 27, 2006, 9:01 pm
You guys are reading way too much into it. I'll break it down for you:
I'm the GC.
I'm an owner builder. I want to watch certain aspects of what some
subcontractors do, not to watch them, but to watch my house being
built.
I have a right to do this. I'm the one paying the bill, and the guys
know up front that I'm doing it, and if they don't like it, they don't
have to take the job.
Damn.
I'm not wanting to spy on anyone. I just want to see the place slowly
go up. And it's not like I want to watch every day. There's just some
stuff that I can't be on-site for and so I want a camera there to
watch. For some subcontractor work, I'll be onsite. Other stuff, I
wont be, and in fact, if I see something going wrong, or if I see the
guys having trouble with something, I want to be able to call and save
them the effort.
What's wrong with that?
ANd bottom line, I'm paying the bill and I have a right to do it. It's
not spying.
And, for that matter, on my job, if the boss wants to put a camera up,
I have a choice of walking, or else doing the job and taking the
paycheck. That's reality.
And if I put a camera up and someone intentionally does something to
it, I will leave my job and go out and fire the bastard on the spot.
dpb wrote:
> Glenn wrote:
> ...
>
> > That's my point. If your gc is good he will do you a nice job but
> > if you really pee him off, believe me, there are a 100 ways he can
> > screw you and you will never even know the difference.
>
> Yep, and if he's not, having a camera around to look in on every so
> often isn't going to do a lot to improve his performance.
>
> I can understand OP's idea was probably innocent enough, but it doesn't
> relate well to reality. One wonders whether he would feel kindly
> towards his employer if they were to announce the starting of keystroke
> monitoring (recognizing that there are places which do it, I'm
> presuming he's not in such a line of work).
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Posted by Bob on September 27, 2006, 9:08 pm
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:08:39 +0000, Glenn wrote:
> I wonder what the mortality rate of the cameras would be. 2 x 12
> joists falling on them, ladders falling on them, trash bags over
> them to 'protect' them, hammers that slipped out of the guys hand
> and flew wild? <G>
>
Mine will be up on a pole outside the house connected via wireless DSL
internet. Pretty safe from accidents. Safety from vandalism depends on the
neighborhood, in my case I feel pretty confident.
To answer a bunch of the other posts -- my general contractor welcomes
this idea. It is a way for him to monitor the site while he is not there.
(Is someone making off with lumber, tools, supplies?) He has as much
to loose as I do as the materials are his responsibility, not mine, during
the construction process. This is not a way for me to check up on the
general contrctor. I consider him mostly a partner in this enterprise or I
woudn't have hired him.
If any subcontractor was caught vandalizing the camera he knows he
would be cutting into his livelyhood as the general contractor would drop
him like a hot rock.
Bob
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