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well-water captive air tank bodega 02-28-2007
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Posted by bodega on February 28, 2007, 8:57 pm
I have a well with submerged pump and captive-air tank in the pump
house 350 ft. from where I'm building my new house. I'm using 1 1/4"
flexible waterline to connect to house. I am not too impressed with
the pressure I get at the end of the garden hose (5/8") 360 ft. from
the well. Are there any suggestions to increase pressure/volume if I'm
still not impressed when it is permanently hooked-up to the house? I
thought of maybe installing an additional captive-air tank where it
enters the house through the garage.My well is 60 ft. deep and though
I am not sure I believe it has a 1/2 hp pump.
Thanks, Jack


Posted by Bill on March 1, 2007, 8:04 am
Easy way to tell is measure how long it takes to fill a 5 gallon bucket at
the well. It sounds like to me 1/2 hp is not enough.
What diameter well do you have?
I would have a minimum of 1hp.

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>I have a well with submerged pump and captive-air tank in the pump
> house 350 ft. from where I'm building my new house. I'm using 1 1/4"
> flexible waterline to connect to house. I am not too impressed with
> the pressure I get at the end of the garden hose (5/8") 360 ft. from
> the well. Are there any suggestions to increase pressure/volume if I'm
> still not impressed when it is permanently hooked-up to the house? I
> thought of maybe installing an additional captive-air tank where it
> enters the house through the garage.My well is 60 ft. deep and though
> I am not sure I believe it has a 1/2 hp pump.
> Thanks, Jack
>



Posted by v8z on March 1, 2007, 10:28 am
Take a look at the performance charts for Goulds pumps on this page
http://www.aquascience.net/pumps.htm
It will help determine what HP pump you need for depth of well and desired
pressure. There's also info on sizing a tank to keep pump run times in the
correct time range http://www.aquascience.net/tanksizing.htm

For more in depth ( pardon the pun) info on submersibles and tanks, see
http://www.goulds.com/product.asp?ID=300&MASTERID=3

> I have a well with submerged pump and captive-air tank in the pump
> house 350 ft. from where I'm building my new house. I'm using 1 1/4"
> flexible waterline to connect to house. I am not too impressed with
> the pressure I get at the end of the garden hose (5/8") 360 ft. from
> the well. Are there any suggestions to increase pressure/volume if I'm
> still not impressed when it is permanently hooked-up to the house? I
> thought of maybe installing an additional captive-air tank where it
> enters the house through the garage.My well is 60 ft. deep and though
> I am not sure I believe it has a 1/2 hp pump.
> Thanks, Jack
>



Posted by hawgeye on March 1, 2007, 6:59 pm

"bodega" wrote...
>I have a well with submerged pump and captive-air tank in the pump
> house 350 ft. from where I'm building my new house. I'm using 1 1/4"
> flexible waterline to connect to house. I am not too impressed with
> the pressure I get at the end of the garden hose (5/8") 360 ft. from
> the well. Are there any suggestions to increase pressure/volume if I'm
> still not impressed when it is permanently hooked-up to the house? I
> thought of maybe installing an additional captive-air tank where it
> enters the house through the garage.My well is 60 ft. deep and though
> I am not sure I believe it has a 1/2 hp pump.

There are a lot factors that will determine your pressure, volume, velocity,
etc., but in general increasing your pump output and/or the pipe size will
increase your pressure.
Also don't confuse pressure with velocity. You may have sufficient pressure
but the velocity may be low.
360 ft is quite a distance. And depending on if it's traveling up or down,
along with the smoothness of the interior of the pipe, you could be loosing
quite a bit of pressure by the time it reaches the house.
The air-tank in the pump house isn't really helping matters. You're better
off moving the air tank to the house.



Posted by Bill on March 1, 2007, 9:56 pm


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>
> "bodega" wrote...
>>I have a well with submerged pump and captive-air tank in the pump
>> house 350 ft. from where I'm building my new house. I'm using 1 1/4"
>> flexible waterline to connect to house. I am not too impressed with
>> the pressure I get at the end of the garden hose (5/8") 360 ft. from
>> the well. Are there any suggestions to increase pressure/volume if I'm
>> still not impressed when it is permanently hooked-up to the house? I
>> thought of maybe installing an additional captive-air tank where it
>> enters the house through the garage.My well is 60 ft. deep and though
>> I am not sure I believe it has a 1/2 hp pump.
>
> There are a lot factors that will determine your pressure, volume,
> velocity, etc., but in general increasing your pump output and/or the pipe
> size will increase your pressure.
> Also don't confuse pressure with velocity. You may have sufficient
> pressure but the velocity may be low.
> 360 ft is quite a distance. And depending on if it's traveling up or
> down, along with the smoothness of the interior of the pipe, you could be
> loosing quite a bit of pressure by the time it reaches the house.
> The air-tank in the pump house isn't really helping matters. You're
> better off moving the air tank to the house.
>
>

I have heard the air tank both ways. I have my air tank (bladder type), in
my house, about 150' from the pump, and it works great.
I have heard it is easier on the pump to have the pressure tank closer.
I had a 1/2 hp pump before, and replaced it with a 1hp. Huge difference.
Oh I love the shower massage...

I also had a 3/4" line that ran 300' from the back of my house, which was a
good 200' away from the pump, and had great pressure there too.



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