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1996 Carrier Heat Exchanger Cracked? dantheman 10-17-2008
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Posted by Noon-Air on October 20, 2008, 8:37 am


>> You know the HX is cracked when the furnace cycles off and the pilot gets
>> blown out by the fan, or it trips the roll-out switch(s)
> Not necessarily so. The ventor fan sucks ad does not blow.. And the crack
> is usually on the top side out of the airstream of the indoor
> blower. An infrared camera can spot it when still hot. Or sometimes
> smoking it right after shut down There are many furnaces that are
> diagnosed with cracked exchangers when all that is wrong is a clogged
> chamber in the seconfdary exchanger. This most oftern occurs on propane
> furnaces and is due to improper firing. This can be crappy tuning or a
> wide variance in the BTUH of the fuelgases. In the winter moisture is
> either added or condensed into the gase to make it easier to shove up the
> pipelines. This moisture is what causes a tarring effect in the chambers
> when the mix is bad.

The furnaces in this neck of the woods are all 80%(or less on the old ones)
They don't have a secondary HX.


Posted by on October 20, 2008, 7:22 pm

>>> You know the HX is cracked when the furnace cycles off and the pilot
>>> gets blown out by the fan, or it trips the roll-out switch(s)
>> Not necessarily so. The ventor fan sucks ad does not blow.. And the crack
>> is usually on the top side out of the airstream of the indoor
>> blower. An infrared camera can spot it when still hot. Or sometimes
>> smoking it right after shut down There are many furnaces that are
>> diagnosed with cracked exchangers when all that is wrong is a clogged
>> chamber in the seconfdary exchanger. This most oftern occurs on propane
>> furnaces and is due to improper firing. This can be crappy tuning or a
>> wide variance in the BTUH of the fuelgases. In the winter moisture is
>> either added or condensed into the gase to make it easier to shove up the
>> pipelines. This moisture is what causes a tarring effect in the chambers
>> when the mix is bad.
> The furnaces in this neck of the woods are all 80%(or less on the old
> ones) They don't have a secondary HX.


My example is a 80% unit...



Posted by Don Ocean on October 20, 2008, 8:01 pm
Noon-Air wrote:
>
>
>>> You know the HX is cracked when the furnace cycles off and the pilot
>>> gets blown out by the fan, or it trips the roll-out switch(s)
>> Not necessarily so. The venter fan sucks ad does not blow.. And the
>> crack is usually on the top side out of the air stream of the indoor
>> blower. An infrared camera can spot it when still hot. Or sometimes
>> smoking it right after shut down There are many furnaces that are
>> diagnosed with cracked exchangers when all that is wrong is a clogged
>> chamber in the secondary exchanger. This most often occurs on
>> propane furnaces and is due to improper firing. This can be crappy
>> tuning or a wide variance in the BTUH of the fuel gases. In the winter
>> moisture is either added or condensed into the gases to make it easier
>> to shove up the pipelines. This moisture is what causes a tarring
>> effect in the chambers when the mix is bad.
>
> The furnaces in this neck of the woods are all 80%(or less on the old
> ones) They don't have a secondary HX.

Most here are updated to the high efficiency ones. I guess I thought you
folks would be more into Heat pumps. As for your take on 80% furnaces..
I concede.. That is the main way of diagnosing cracked exchangers.
>

Posted by Bubba on October 20, 2008, 7:49 am
wrote:

>>>kjpro @ news .com wrote:
>>>>> Hi All... my neighbor's carbon monoxide alarm goes off, she shuts
>>>>> down her 1996 Carrier Weathermaker 58TUA hi-efficiency furnace,
>>>>> calls in Frank the HVAC guy, and after a peek inside (from the top),
>>>>> Frank concludes that the heat exchanger is cracked and a whole new
>>>>> furnace is needed.
>>>>> Is this possible? Common?
>>>>> How can you tell if it's cracked (it looks like new haha)?
>>>>> What else might be the matter?
>>>>> Carrier had a 20yr warranty on those things back then... shouldn't a
>>>>> suggestion be made to use it?
>>>>> This was an expensive furnace... wt*?
>>>>> Thanks for all of your help,
>>>>>> Dan
>>>> It's just the normal shit that Frank pulls on a daily basis.
>>>> Now tell your friend to call someone that's competent this time!
>>>You should [listen to kjpro]. Get a second opinion. Find a service
>>>company
>>>with a "Gas Analyzer" to check for CO coming from the appliance. They can
>>>also check for a crack by checking the CO level before, during, and after
>>>the furnace is in operation in the flu.
>> Zyp,
>> Just a slight correction. A CO detector will NOT always find a crack
>> in a heat exchanger. Many furnaces with cracks support proper
>> combustion just fine. I wouldnt want that furnace in my home but a
>> crack in a heat exchanger doesnt always burn "dirty" and cause carbon
>> monoxide.
>> Im just restating that but Im sure thats what you meant. :-)
>> Bubba
>You know the HX is cracked when the furnace cycles off and the pilot gets
>blown out by the fan, or it trips the roll-out switch(s)
hehe.
Im just sayin.....I had a Tempstar a few years back (90%er) that I got
a call on no heat. It was the main limit (the little camstat POS) that
failed open. I finally looked in and the plastic collector on the side
of the secondary had a hole in the top of it big enough to put a
tennis ball in. The burner roll out never did trip. His CO detectors
never went off (most of them wont though but thats a whole nother
story). Ive had many Tempstars and Janitrols that I found popped rings
on that were burning just fine. Its a bit harder to condem someone's
furnace when they call for a "tune-up" and you have to give them the
"good" news about their working defective furnace.
Bubba

Posted by Noon-Air on October 20, 2008, 8:39 am

>>You know the HX is cracked when the furnace cycles off and the pilot gets
>>blown out by the fan, or it trips the roll-out switch(s)
> hehe.
> Im just sayin.....I had a Tempstar a few years back (90%er) that I got
> a call on no heat. It was the main limit (the little camstat POS) that
> failed open. I finally looked in and the plastic collector on the side
> of the secondary had a hole in the top of it big enough to put a
> tennis ball in. The burner roll out never did trip. His CO detectors
> never went off (most of them wont though but thats a whole nother
> story). Ive had many Tempstars and Janitrols that I found popped rings
> on that were burning just fine. Its a bit harder to condem someone's
> furnace when they call for a "tune-up" and you have to give them the
> "good" news about their working defective furnace.
> Bubba

All the furnaces in this neck of the woods are 80%ers, or standing pilot.


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