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2nd thermostat rking 05-03-2007
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Posted by danger on May 4, 2007, 1:39 am
With that logic, you may as well just set the one thermostat you have down low
at night. Installing a 2nd thermostat
upstairs is useless, if all the air is in one zone.

-Canadian Heat


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Posted by Steve N on May 5, 2007, 12:34 am
I sympathize with your problem. Yes the guys are right...too often a 2
storey house with only one system works poorly. It amazes me that when you
consider the cost of a house that the HVAC Systems is most are archaic in
this day and age...Ideally you should have separate zoning...

Having said that, it is not a perfect world and we all dont have money to
re-engineer the system...Here is a trick that I have used with customers in
your situation and all are happy with the inexpensive solution and excellent
results....

Go and purchase a Honeywell or Carrier thermostat that has a remote
temperature sensor option on it..At that time, you purchase one additional
sensor so now you have one thermostat with 2 sensors. Locate one temperature
on the main floor wherever you like...Locate the other one upstairs where
you like...You wire a wall switch in somewhere that switches the sensors...a
three way switch from Home Depot works for this...in the daytime, the switch
is connected to the main floor sensor so the AC unit will control to satisfy
the main floor...When you go to bed, you flip the switch and the thermostat
is now looking at the sensor upstairs and ignoring the main floor...Next
morning flip it back...

Problem solved...minimal cost...of course you will hear lots of heckling
from this group...but give it consideration...good results for about
$150.00...

Steve
>I am not an HVAC tech. I was wondering if it is possible to add a 2nd
> thermostat to my HVAC system. Currently, I have a digital thermostat
> downstair and was planning to add a 2nd one upstair. The reason for
> this is because, during summer time, upstair will still be very hot
> and the thermostat will shut down the AC since it has reach the set
> temp downstairs. I plan to use one thermostat at a time only. During
> daytime, it will be the one downstair and duirng night time it will be
> upstair. I plan to connect the 2 in parallel. Do you see any problem
> with this type of connections. I know there are wireless device out
> there, but I still prefer hardwire.Appreciate any input on this.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>



Posted by Mo Hoaner on May 5, 2007, 10:57 am

>I sympathize with your problem. Yes the guys are right...too often a 2
>storey house with only one system works poorly. It amazes me that when you
>consider the cost of a house that the HVAC Systems is most are archaic in
>this day and age...Ideally you should have separate zoning...

Ding! There's a few more pieces involved with multiple zones than several
thermostats.

> Having said that, it is not a perfect world and we all dont have money to
> re-engineer the system...Here is a trick that I have used with customers
> in your situation and all are happy with the inexpensive solution and
> excellent results....

I doubt it.

> Go and purchase a Honeywell or Carrier thermostat that has a remote
> temperature sensor option on it..At that time, you purchase one additional
> sensor so now you have one thermostat with 2 sensors. Locate one
> temperature on the main floor wherever you like...Locate the other one
> upstairs where you like...You wire a wall switch in somewhere that
> switches the sensors...a three way switch from Home Depot works for
> this...in the daytime, the switch is connected to the main floor sensor so
> the AC unit will control to satisfy the main floor...When you go to bed,
> you flip the switch and the thermostat is now looking at the sensor
> upstairs and ignoring the main floor...Next morning flip it back...

So, you don't understand that the remote sensor on most any thermostat that
a HoMoaner will likely be able to purchase is for dsplaying the temperature,
and has no effect on determining whether a setpoint is reached? Or, are you
trying to explain to him that he needs to open up the thermostat - I'll use
a T8611 for an example - and disconnect the internal temperature sensor,
install a switch in the thermostat, and connect an (aquired from who knows
where because the internal sensor is a diode, and the external sensors are
thermistors) remote sensor to it, so he can switch between them. What about
the fact that he's trying to cool the second floor from the first floor. You
don't think he'd have to get it a little nippley downstairs before upstairs
even begins to feel cool? He didn't describe whether there's any ductwork
for the second floor as far as I saw in his post.

> Problem solved...minimal cost...of course you will hear lots of heckling
> from this group...but give it consideration...good results for about
> $150.00...

Actually, a decent Window shaker would go for a bit more than that and would
be more likely to resolve the issue.



Posted by Steve N on May 5, 2007, 11:54 am

>
>>I sympathize with your problem. Yes the guys are right...too often a 2
>>storey house with only one system works poorly. It amazes me that when you
>>consider the cost of a house that the HVAC Systems is most are archaic in
>>this day and age...Ideally you should have separate zoning...
>
> Ding! There's a few more pieces involved with multiple zones than several
> thermostats.
>
>> Having said that, it is not a perfect world and we all dont have money to
>> re-engineer the system...Here is a trick that I have used with customers
>> in your situation and all are happy with the inexpensive solution and
>> excellent results....
>
> I doubt it.
>
>> Go and purchase a Honeywell or Carrier thermostat that has a remote
>> temperature sensor option on it..At that time, you purchase one
>> additional sensor so now you have one thermostat with 2 sensors. Locate
>> one temperature on the main floor wherever you like...Locate the other
>> one upstairs where you like...You wire a wall switch in somewhere that
>> switches the sensors...a three way switch from Home Depot works for
>> this...in the daytime, the switch is connected to the main floor sensor
>> so the AC unit will control to satisfy the main floor...When you go to
>> bed, you flip the switch and the thermostat is now looking at the sensor
>> upstairs and ignoring the main floor...Next morning flip it back...
>
> So, you don't understand that the remote sensor on most any thermostat
> that a HoMoaner will likely be able to purchase is for dsplaying the
> temperature, and has no effect on determining whether a setpoint is
> reached? Or, are you trying to explain to him that he needs to open up the
> thermostat - I'll use a T8611 for an example - and disconnect the internal
> temperature sensor, install a switch in the thermostat, and connect an
> (aquired from who knows where because the internal sensor is a diode, and
> the external sensors are thermistors) remote sensor to it, so he can
> switch between them. What about the fact that he's trying to cool the
> second floor from the first floor. You don't think he'd have to get it a
> little nippley downstairs before upstairs even begins to feel cool? He
> didn't describe whether there's any ductwork for the second floor as far
> as I saw in his post.
>
>> Problem solved...minimal cost...of course you will hear lots of heckling
>> from this group...but give it consideration...good results for about
>> $150.00...
>
> Actually, a decent Window shaker would go for a bit more than that and
> would be more likely to resolve the issue.

No, I am not trying to explain to him to open up the thermostat and
disconnect the sensor... As I indicated, he should purchase a thermostat
that has remote sensing capabilities such as a Honeywell Vision Pro TH
Series (TH8110U1011) with 2 remote sensors (T7189U1005) and a swithing
arrangement to switch the two sensors. Yes, I realize that it may get a
little nippley downstairs, but he has the option and flexibility to program
his new programmable thermostat to find a setpoint that works...

Again, I realize this is not an ideal situation, and I also realize that
there is more to zoning than thermostats. He is not asking for a window
shaker. I agree, that is a good solution. He is simply asking how to use a
separate thermostat for two locations, not how to re-engineer or re-design
his home HVAC system. If he asked that question, I would certainly have some
good advice for him...Keep it simple...



Posted by rking on May 11, 2007, 12:50 am
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>I sympathize with your problem. Yes the guys are right...too often a 2
> >>storey house with only one system works poorly. It amazes me that when you
> >>consider the cost of a house that the HVAC Systems is most are archaic in
> >>this day and age...Ideally you should have separate zoning...
>
> > Ding! There's a few more pieces involved with multiple zones than several
> > thermostats.
>
> >> Having said that, it is not a perfect world and we all dont have money to
> >> re-engineer the system...Here is a trick that I have used with customers
> >> in your situation and all are happy with the inexpensive solution and
> >> excellent results....
>
> > I doubt it.
>
> >> Go and purchase a Honeywell or Carrier thermostat that has a remote
> >> temperature sensor option on it..At that time, you purchase one
> >> additional sensor so now you have one thermostat with 2 sensors. Locate
> >> one temperature on the main floor wherever you like...Locate the other
> >> one upstairs where you like...You wire a wall switch in somewhere that
> >> switches the sensors...a three way switch from Home Depot works for
> >> this...in the daytime, the switch is connected to the main floor sensor
> >> so the AC unit will control to satisfy the main floor...When you go to
> >> bed, you flip the switch and the thermostat is now looking at the sensor
> >> upstairs and ignoring the main floor...Next morning flip it back...
>
> > So, you don't understand that the remote sensor on most any thermostat
> > that a HoMoaner will likely be able to purchase is for dsplaying the
> > temperature, and has no effect on determining whether a setpoint is
> > reached? Or, are you trying to explain to him that he needs to open up the
> > thermostat - I'll use a T8611 for an example - and disconnect the internal
> > temperature sensor, install a switch in the thermostat, and connect an
> > (aquired from who knows where because the internal sensor is a diode, and
> > the external sensors are thermistors) remote sensor to it, so he can
> > switch between them. What about the fact that he's trying to cool the
> > second floor from the first floor. You don't think he'd have to get it a
> > little nippley downstairs before upstairs even begins to feel cool? He
> > didn't describe whether there's any ductwork for the second floor as far
> > as I saw in his post.
>
> >> Problem solved...minimal cost...of course you will hear lots of heckling
> >> from this group...but give it consideration...good results for about
> >> $150.00...
>
> > Actually, a decent Window shaker would go for a bit more than that and
> > would be more likely to resolve the issue.
>
> No, I am not trying to explain to him to open up the thermostat and
> disconnect the sensor... As I indicated, he should purchase a thermostat
> that has remote sensing capabilities such as a Honeywell Vision Pro TH
> Series (TH8110U1011) with 2 remote sensors (T7189U1005) and a swithing
> arrangement to switch the two sensors. Yes, I realize that it may get a
> little nippley downstairs, but he has the option and flexibility to program
> his new programmable thermostat to find a setpoint that works...
>
> Again, I realize this is not an ideal situation, and I also realize that
> there is more to zoning than thermostats. He is not asking for a window
> shaker. I agree, that is a good solution. He is simply asking how to use a
> separate thermostat for two locations, not how to re-engineer or re-design
> his home HVAC system. If he asked that question, I would certainly have some
> good advice for him...Keep it simple...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the idea Steve. Since 4 wires go into my thermostat, I will
buy 4 pole toggle switch and identical thermostat so I can switch
between the 2 thermostat. With the switch, only 1 thermostat is use at
any given time. Hopefully, my cost will bring it down to $80. Again,
appreciate your help.


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