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A furnace story (that wasnt to be) Bubba 12-09-2007
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Posted by Tony Hwang on December 9, 2007, 9:17 pm
Zyp wrote:
> Noon-Air wrote:
>
>>
>>>We got a phone call from a potential new customer. After a little
>>>info, we found that we had already been servicing their parents house
>>>for years. Even replaced the parents furnace, A/C coil, air cleaner,
>>>UV and water heater. We've been servicing the parents home twice a
>>>year for years and years.
>>>So the potential says, "Hey, we had a company come out, they had the
>>>booties, a small red carpet, they camera'd our heat exchanger and
>>>told us it was cracked, rusted, etc, etc and needed to be replaced.
>>>What they have is a older 100k btu 90% that would need to be
>>>replaced with a 60-75K 95% gas. This company tells them they will
>>>replace it with a 100k 95% gas furnace
>>>for.......................................... hang onto your hats
>>>now............... $8,000 !!!!!!
>>>Now this is replacing the furnace only. NO other accessories.
>>>Existing PVC, modify the supply to fit and reuse the return air.
>>>We gave them a price of $3500. Now they start to wonder so they start
>>>checking around. (They are living with their parents while they
>>>decide). They call a company that is huge and known for selling
>>>appliances. They have a kinda neat online site where you answer a few
>>>questions and you get a complete written estimate!!
>>>They haven't been out to look at anything. The customer keeps calling
>>>us back and saying, now I want to replace this, now I want to replace
>>>that. The company is including "this", does yours?" "Now it includes
>>>"this" too, does yours?". Finally the price is getting ridiculous and
>>>I go off on them. I tell them, "Here is what I do as you can check by
>>>asking your parents. We also advertise at the schools and churches.
>>>We support the local schools in our town by providing money and
>>>gifts for all their drives, outddor activities and anything else
>>>that goes on in this community. Does the company across the river
>>>you want to use do any of that? (No, they dont). Anyways, long story
>>>short, they are probably going with the other company because we
>>>wont give the job away for "free" and the husband has used that
>>>company at his office. (So did the parents at their house and we won
>>>them over). Anyways, thats life in the fast lane of the hvac world.
>>>Bubba
>>
>>Just remember that when you lose one, something better is gonna come
>>along.
>
>
> Today's consumers [home owners] tend to be a little less trusting and a
> little more investigative. Especially with the internet. But you can beat
> a horse to death somtimes.
>
> It seems to "win" over a new customer, you have to be price [economy]
> concious and bend over backwards to provide [what may seem extra but is
> standard to some] service.
>
> There's been several times I lost 'em, but after they find out the 'other'
> [technitions] really don't know, they come back.
>
Hi,
Some idiots never learn their lessons. They keep repeating same mistakes
all their lives. And they think they are the smartest in the whole world.

Posted by Jake on December 10, 2007, 9:35 pm
Good story, Bubba.....

As the "regulars" must know, I don't do "cheap", either.

Of course, I work in the electrical trade.... but our offerings are not
all that much apart.

I design and install systems that will run for their designed life. Not
break down, not cause call-backs every year, not bust out in a ball of
flames someday.

So do you.

I make certain the job is done right, every single time and down to
every single detail. If I walk onto a job and the conduit isn't
straight, we tear it down and start over. If someone didn't ground
something correctly, it's fixed. If we find a flaw that was our fault,
we fix it... for free.

That used to be how America worked... and how it should work. It isn't
about the 'sell', it's about the seller and buyer and satisfaction each
have with one another.

Homeowners and other consumers here... make no mistake. Your HVAC system
is the biggest hog of energy, the most costly to purchase, and the
hardest to maintain appliance in your home. If you want to be warm and
cool when you want, and you wish to do so for the lowest cost possible
overall....


Please, please don't low-ball your HVAC purchase decisions. There is one
hell of a lot more there than just "up front" price.

Jake

Posted by Bubba on December 10, 2007, 10:28 pm

>Good story, Bubba.....

I wish it was a story. Unfortunately, its real.
>
>As the "regulars" must know, I don't do "cheap", either.
>
>Of course, I work in the electrical trade.... but our offerings are not
>all that much apart.
>
>I design and install systems that will run for their designed life. Not
>break down, not cause call-backs every year, not bust out in a ball of
>flames someday.
>
>So do you.
>
>I make certain the job is done right, every single time and down to
>every single detail. If I walk onto a job and the conduit isn't
>straight, we tear it down and start over. If someone didn't ground
>something correctly, it's fixed. If we find a flaw that was our fault,
>we fix it... for free.

Crooked stuff just kills me. If it aint straight, it'll drive me crazy
till its done right.
>
>That used to be how America worked... and how it should work. It isn't
>about the 'sell', it's about the seller and buyer and satisfaction each
>have with one another.
>
>Homeowners and other consumers here... make no mistake. Your HVAC system
>is the biggest hog of energy, the most costly to purchase, and the
>hardest to maintain appliance in your home. If you want to be warm and
>cool when you want, and you wish to do so for the lowest cost possible
>overall....
>
>
>Please, please don't low-ball your HVAC purchase decisions. There is one
>hell of a lot more there than just "up front" price.
>
>Jake

Nice try but only a few will follow. Its a throw a way world. Most
will look for the least expensive. Only a few will do it right. Its
just the way of today.
Bubba

Posted by Jake on December 10, 2007, 10:54 pm
Bubba wrote:

> Nice try but only a few will follow. Its a throw a way world. Most
> will look for the least expensive. Only a few will do it right. Its
> just the way of today.
> Bubba

Well, hell.

I'm the guy that bought McQuay equipment, installed by the factory reps,
for my newest building.

That stuff costs a lot more than anyone else.. period.

But, I need to maintain a RH and temp. that allows me to store millions
of dollars of customer PLC stuff. The McQuay system does it cheaper, and
with literally NO problems almost three years in.

The best stuff you can afford, installed by the best people you can
find... makes all the difference in the world.

What's the REAL cost of throw-away crap? You sacrifice economy,
serviceability... and in most cases a reputable firm that will fix problems.

Not a great bargain, IMO.

Ya know, we run a couple of racks that have computer servers in them.
Each rack is backed up by a American Power Conversion UPS (Symmetra XR)
at 12 kW each.

Every time you call APC you get a REAL U.S. Citizen who will work you
through whatever problem you might have with their equipment. APC sells
more UPS's than anyone else, anywhere.

The reason, I think, is because they do things right, and they stand by
their products religiously.... like McQuay.

I'm happy that folks like McQuay, and APC, and HP-Compaq, and all the
other companies out there support me.

So, I'll continue to support them. That's how it works.

Jake







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