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A learning tech, a question about an experiment Lloyd E. Sponenburgh 04-17-2007
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Posted by Noon-Air on April 18, 2007, 9:00 am

>
>>
>> If you apologize to Bubba and Noon-Air.... I will answer your questions.
>>
>> Otherwise, you can be our next little b*tch.
>
> As soon as they apologize for instantly calling me a liar without any
> knowledge of me, I'll consider it. My reaction to them was the same as it
> would be if any asshole walked up on the street and slapped me.

If you hadn't come waltzing in here misrepresenting yourself, you wouldn't
have the credability problems you have now.

> Several other people responded to my question in helpful ways.
>
> To my eyes, Bubba and Noon-Air act like they're afraid someone who wants
> to learn the trade will take away their jobs. That smells so much like
> cowardice because of incompetence, it stinks.

Sorry sport, when your a certified Master, then come talk to me about it.
FWIW, it shouldn't take but a couple of hours(not the 8 months you said) of
study to ace the universal test for your EPA card. All that EPA card means
is that you can pass a written test, and your supposed to be able to
responsibly handle refrigerants, it *DOESN"T* mean that you actually have a
clue of what to *DO* with them. If it takes you 8+ months just to get an EPA
card, I can't imagin how long its going to take you to actually get licensed
for the trade. Here the minimum requirement is 2 years of college or tech
school with a certificate of completion, *and* 4 years OJT under a
Master...... along with a bunch of other stuff, and thats just to get
approved to take the license exam.

> If they lived here, there's not a chance in hell that could happen. We
> have HOT summers, lots of snow-bird imports who can't even mow their own
> lawns, and about half as many HVAC techs on the street as the market will
> bear. The average wait for an "emergency" service call in the summer is
> about two days. There's money to be made by good trouble-shooters who can
> actually FIX stuff, instead of automatically saying "You need a new unit".
> I plan to be one.

You mean like being in south Mississippi???
FWIW, My business is based on service, and repair..... not replacement.
Replacement is is nothing more than an added bonus.
You, on the other hand, might want to take a chill pill before you go
running off at the mouth again.

> For those of you who helped, thanks. Especially, thanks for the clue that
> having the micron gauge near the pump gives a lower-than-true reading.
> That makes a lot of sense, but I never thought of it. I think I will
> hard-pipe a couple of old gauges into the unit. We won't let the charge
> into it until I say I'm done, and Ken says it passes muster. I figure
> we've got about two weeks before it starts getting hot, and my dad starts
> complaining.



> LLoyd
>



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Posted by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on April 18, 2007, 9:16 am

> If you hadn't come waltzing in here misrepresenting yourself, you wouldn't
> have the credability problems you have now.

I didn't misrepresent anything, and you're doing it again. My experience is
liars always accuse other people of lying.

You're right about the refrigerant test. It's only 50 questions, which I
could ace in a day. Ken says I have to be signed off by a master to take
the test, or else I have to go to one of those boot camp schools in Orlando
that do it in a week, which is costy. That's what he said will be in 8
months.

LLoyd


Posted by on April 18, 2007, 2:38 pm

>
> > If you hadn't come waltzing in here misrepresenting yourself, you
wouldn't
> > have the credability problems you have now.
>
> I didn't misrepresent anything, and you're doing it again. My experience
is
> liars always accuse other people of lying.
>
> You're right about the refrigerant test. It's only 50 questions, which I
> could ace in a day. Ken says I have to be signed off by a master to take
> the test, or else I have to go to one of those boot camp schools in
Orlando
> that do it in a week, which is costy. That's what he said will be in 8
> months.
>
> LLoyd


Then you are learning from an IDIOT!!!!!!!!

The test is simple, it takes a day, PERIOD!!!!!!

There is NO week coarse!!!!!!

I'd help, but you think you are better than the respected techs here....




Posted by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on April 18, 2007, 3:07 pm

> Then you are learning from an IDIOT!!!!!!!!

Nope. Ken's a skilled, polite man who likes to teach, and likes to make
sure his students learn what he teaches. I'm not an employee -- we're
friends. I have an altogether different type of job; hands on, and tools
on, but not HVAC.

It's not the 50 questions he's teaching me, it's the trade. He says he
wants me to be competent before I rush out and "buy" a certificate. I can
go with that. When I end up working for the public, it'll be as a fill-in
guy for him, and it'll be under his business license, so it seems reasonable
for him to demand that before he cuts me loose.

>
> The test is simple, it takes a day, PERIOD!!!!!!

Less... 'bout a half-hour. Well, OK... a day, if you say so.

>
> There is NO week coarse!!!!!!

Three outfits in O-town offer the "coarse" for about $2500 a pop. Four days
of class, and one whole day of testing (tells you what they think of the
people taking it, no?).

>
> I'd help, but you think you are better than the respected techs here....

Nope. I wouldn't have come here asking questions if I thought that. I have
better ethics than a couple of the people here have demonstrated, but I
don't know more about HVAC, or by their shining examples I would have
already stopped trying to learn.

It does seem that a few folks (hopefully very few) think there isn't
anything else to learn after you're a master. They are the ones to fear.

LLoyd


Posted by on April 18, 2007, 3:29 pm

>
> > Then you are learning from an IDIOT!!!!!!!!
>
> Nope. Ken's a skilled, polite man who likes to teach, and likes to make
> sure his students learn what he teaches. I'm not an employee -- we're
> friends. I have an altogether different type of job; hands on, and tools
> on, but not HVAC.


Saying that you need a "week course" to get your EPM card is totally
different than him wanting you to know what you're doing once you're out in
the field.



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