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Posted by Bubba on August 11, 2006, 5:20 pm
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:45:51 GMT, gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
> Bubba wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:45:27 GMT, gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>>
>>> Al Moran wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:42:35 GMT, gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bubba wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Okay "fish". I'll bite.
>>>>>
>>>>> bad news dood...you just munched on my shit filled twinkie
>>>>>:-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>I give, "fish". What magic are you performing that makes your customer
>>>>>>happy, makes coils last forever, takes away job security and
>>>>>>lines your pocket with cash?
>>>>>>Speak Oh wonderous one.
>>>>>>Bubba
>>>>>
>>>>>your wish is my command
>>>>>
>>>>>until you've tried it yourself, you dont have a leg to stand on.
>>>>>so dont even try. http://www.cliplight.com/hvacr/
>>>>>
>>>>>coil changeouts can be problematic, and not huge profit centers
>>>>>way too much labor
>>>>>
>>>>>drop this stuff in at 1/3-1/2 the cost of a new coil and viola!
>>>>>problem solved, happy campers, and you with serious coin.
>>>>>
>>>>>you'd crap your pants if i told you how much i charge for this stuff,
>>>>>installed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So what do you charge after you drop a can of this stuff in a system
>>>>and it clogs up a txv, or flowrater, or cap tube?
>>>
>>>
>>>If ya did your homework, you would have discovered the fact that this
>>>product solidifies ONLY as it leaks thru an opening and is exposed to
>>>AIR. It mixes with refrigerant OIL, and goes wherever that oil
>>>goes.
>>>
>>>Hell yes, I've seen evap coils with oil-vapor locked feeder tubes, but
>>>the addition of a suction P-trap eliminated those situations....
>>
>>Actually I did do the homework. Took the test. Read all the info
>>(actually a couple weeks ago) and then even found my local supplier
>>has it. They have a box of them there at the counter. Dont believe one
>>can has been sold in a couple weeks yet.
>>To me, it seems as though it acts as a glue when it finds a leak.
>>Something like epoxy or maybe? To me, that isnt a fix for a leak.
>>Copper leaks need to be brazed and Im not brazing a bunch of
>>microscopic formicary corrosion leaks.
>>Im just going to leave it as..........
>>Im not sold yet. Maybe its a good product but I'll wait till the
>>verdict comes in.
>>I guess I might add one thing further. You say its great. You also
>>imply that anyone installing a new coil knows its going to leak well
>>before its time (I believe that too)
>>BUT,
>>does that mean since you think this stuff works so well that when you
>>do install a new system with a new coil, do you automatically add this
>>stuff to your new installs?
>>Remember, you asked me what I am doing to correct the coil problems so
>>Im now asking you the same thing.
>>Bubba
>
>
>Bubba, first & foremost, I have the highest respect for you, your
>trade knowledge and your business ethics & integrity. We both know
>formicary corrosion is like shit, it happens. It wasnt my intent to
>attack your business practices, more at being able to offer your coil
>replacement customers a choice.
>
>Two yrs ago I too was as skeptic as all hell about the product. The
>local j-stones guy said he couldnt keep the product in stock. I
>broke down & purchased one can. Awhile later on a svc call 40 miles
>out in the boonies I had to re-charge a unit I gassed up exactly one
>yr before, 20 yr old 3 ton pkg hp. carrier aluminum condenser coil.
>I thought what the hell, I'll give it a try. I've used it 7-8 times
>now. splits & packages, 2.5 tons to 30+. No callbacks. Cows died.
>
>
>As for choices, Mrs Smith would you like to try a new coil for $1900
>that may or may not leak in the next 2-7 years, or would you like to
>try this new stop leak product that the manufacturer claims will stop
>current & future leaks, installed for $799.95? That includes any
>refrigerant to bring your system up to a factory recommended charge,
>new pleated filter at the air handler, condenser coil cleaning, and
>how many more bells & whistles can you list?
>
>Mrs Smith says, well wait a minute Fish, I know you paid $79.95 for
>that product, and now you want to sell it to me for $799.95???
>
>No Mrs Smith, I am not selling it to you for $799.95.
>For $799.95 you're getting a permanant solution to your leaky coil, a
>system recharged to factory specs,all the bells & whistles, plus I'm
>saving you $1100.05 in the process.
>
>
>For me Bubba, Mrs Smith doesnt exist. Rarely if ever do I interface
>with the person paying the bill on svc work. I do the work, send off
>the invoice for any amount I want, and within net 15 or net 30, the
>check arrives. if they squawk over pricing, they get billed even more
>the next time.
>
>You see Bubba, I have ulterior motives in using this product,
>especially on older systems. My market niche is primarily prop mgmt
>on commercial bldgs, & we both know how cheap some mgmt can be.
>Instead of replacing those old dogs with 10 seer units, hahaha, guess
>what? Now they have to buy 13 seer. Moooooo
>
>
>would I install the product on a new install? probably not. a new
>install that leaked and I could trace the leak to the evap? you bet,
>in a heartbeat.
And as for you Fish........"Im good". No problems with you at all.
Steam that got vented and water under the bridge. As you know, my
twinkie gets overfilled with shit and its gotta come out somewhere.
You were the lucky catcher. :-)
Yes the price you charge seems very high but then on the other hand it
doesnt. AFter all, Ballplayers getting paid millions of dollars, BP
making 76 Billion in profits and our Federal goverment spending
Trillions that they dont have. All the while we are all sitting around
paying $3 a gallon for gas. Whats right and whats wrong?
The can of stop leak is interesting to say the least. Like anything
else, it just has to be marketed and sold properly. Id certainly be
interested in a longer (5-7yr) study on how well it holds up. It'll
keep me thinking..............
Bubba
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