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Advice on Electric backup for Oil DHW -- custom setup. tman 05-18-2008
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Posted by Telstra on May 19, 2008, 3:53 am
Why not feed the hot water from the electric hot water
heater into the boiler. A drop in water temperature would
indicate a need for boiler heat and a rise in temperature
would shut the boiler down and supply hot water from
the electric water heater.
So in summer or at low load the electric hot water heater
would maintain the temperature and lock the boiler out.
At high load the electric hot water heater would be unable
to maintain the temperature and the boiler would start.


> Hi, my house currently has a DHW coil sitting in a relatively OK oil
> boiler (Burnham RSA 110). I put a Hobbs meter on the boiler, and find
> that the thing is blowing somewhere around almost 3/4 gal of oil up the
> chimney in standby losses per day -- that is just the standby usage with
> no DHW or heating load, just to sit there. That is with the Aquastat set
> to 125 for the low setpoint, which is about as cool as I want to get it
> since I like my water to the washer, dishwasher, etc at least that hot.
>
> So I am thinking about putting in a 50 gal high-efficiency electric hot
> water heater to augment it, so that I can turn the boiler off when the
> domestic heat is not needed, e.g. over the summer. I understand others
> have done this, and have done quite alright saving money with a manual
> switch-over, so that their DHW is electric during the warm months and the
> oil boiler is "off" during the summer months.
>
> However, being a bit of an engineer, I want to complicate this setup --
> can anyone give me advice or gotchas on my plans?
>
> - Electric HW heater is on full-time.
> - DHW comes from either electric, or boiler, and is switched by a zone
> valve, e.g. like a Taco 3-way.
> - A second Aquastat / temp switch installed on the boiler flips the zone
> valve to draw hot water from the boiler whenever the boiler temp is over a
> certain setpoint, say 120F.
> - A timer is rigged into the boiler Aquastat, so that the boiler is
> normally off (full cold), but goes on to the lower setpoint (~130F) when
> the timer is on -- this would be for anticipated high hot-water demand
> days / times, I am thinking 2x / week when a lot of laundry is done. The
> boiler is also on to the higher setpoint (~180F) whenever there is a call
> for domestic heating, (of course).
>
> My aim is to utilize the lower fuel costs of the oil boiler when the thing
> is hot anyways due to a domestic heat call, or at certain limited times of
> the week when it switches on in order to supply a heavy hot-water demand
> (and economize the fuel cost). The aim is to keep the boiler cool, and
> supply hot water from the electric tank, at all other times.
>
> Kind of different, does anyone see any gotchas?
>
> And two more questions along this thread, if anyone has any advice.
> - Where can I get an idea of anticpated future electric costs -- I am in
> CT, and pay $0.16 / KWH which is kind of high -- but the price has not
> escalated to the rate that oil, gasoline, etc. have in the last 4-6
> months.
> - Where can I get some info on the standby heat loss from an electic hot
> water heater -- I don't see much on the manuf websites.
>
> Thanks much for any advice!!!
> T


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Posted by Mark on May 19, 2008, 12:22 pm
> Why =A0not =A0feed the hot water =A0from the =A0electric hot water
> heater into the boiler. A drop in water temperature would
> indicate =A0a =A0need for boiler =A0heat and a rise in temperature
> would =A0shut the =A0boiler down and supply =A0hot water from
> the electric water heater.
> So in summer or at low load the electric =A0hot water heater
> would =A0maintain =A0the =A0temperature and =A0lock the boiler out.
> At high load the electric hot water heater would be unable
> to maintain the temperature and the boiler would start.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi, my house currently has a DHW coil sitting in a relatively OK oil
> > boiler (Burnham RSA 110). =A0I put a Hobbs meter on the boiler, and find=

> > that the thing is blowing somewhere around almost 3/4 gal of oil up the
> > chimney in standby losses per day -- that is just the standby usage with=

> > no DHW or heating load, just to sit there. =A0That is with the Aquastat =
set
> > to 125 for the low setpoint, which is about as cool as I want to get it
> > since I like my water to the washer, dishwasher, etc at least that hot.
>
> > So I am thinking about putting in a 50 gal high-efficiency electric hot
> > water heater to augment it, so that I can turn the boiler off when the
> > domestic heat is not needed, e.g. over the summer. =A0I understand other=
s
> > have done this, and have done quite alright saving money with a manual
> > switch-over, so that their DHW is electric during the warm months and th=
e
> > oil boiler is "off" during the summer months.
>
> > However, being a bit of an engineer, I want to complicate this setup --
> > can anyone give me advice or gotchas on my plans?
>
> > - Electric HW heater is on full-time.
> > - DHW comes from either electric, or boiler, and is switched by a zone
> > valve, e.g. like a Taco 3-way.
> > - A second Aquastat / temp switch installed on the boiler flips the zone=

> > valve to draw hot water from the boiler whenever the boiler temp is over=
a
> > certain setpoint, say 120F.
> > - A timer is rigged into the boiler Aquastat, so that the boiler is
> > normally off (full cold), but goes on to the lower setpoint (~130F) when=

> > the timer is on -- this would be for anticipated high hot-water demand
> > days / times, I am thinking 2x / week when a lot of laundry is done. The=

> > boiler is also on to the higher setpoint (~180F) whenever there is a cal=
l
> > for domestic heating, (of course).
>
> > My aim is to utilize the lower fuel costs of the oil boiler when the thi=
ng
> > is hot anyways due to a domestic heat call, or at certain limited times =
of
> > the week when it switches on in order to supply a heavy hot-water demand=

> > (and economize the fuel cost). =A0The aim is to keep the boiler cool, an=
d
> > supply hot water from the electric tank, at all other times.
>
> > Kind of different, does anyone see any gotchas?
>
> > And two more questions along this thread, if anyone has any advice.
> > - Where can I get an idea of anticpated future electric costs -- I am in=

> > CT, and pay $0.16 / KWH which is kind of high -- but the price has not
> > escalated to the rate that oil, gasoline, etc. have in the last 4-6
> > months.
> > - Where can I get some info on the standby heat loss from an electic hot=

> > water heater -- I don't see much on the manuf websites.
>
> > Thanks much for any advice!!!
> > T- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ask the electric company about "off peak" metering

Mark

Posted by tman on May 19, 2008, 8:14 pm
Mark wrote:

> ask the electric company about "off peak" metering
>
> Mark
it really doesn't save much -- like 5% off your off-peak, in exchange
for vastly higher on-peak... out here in CT..

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