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Posted by Scott on July 11, 2007, 8:34 am
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > I have a 9 yr old Amana 4 ton 12 seer unit on my 9 yr old house in
> >> > Houston TX. Yes, we use the AC nearly year-round so down here they
> >> > seem to have a 10-15 year life span from what people tell me.
>
> >> > Mine is having kicking off problems where it stops before the
> >> > requested amount of cooling. I replaced the computer thermostat with
> >> > the original manual one and tested to see if the therm was the
> >> > problem, which it was not. So, then I called a company a neighbor
> >> > recommended and the tech appeared to be well trained and did many
> >> > tests, found the systems (upper level was not giving any issue) to
> >> > both be 2lbs low on coolant gas which he added. He also indicated the
> >> > blower motor was over-amping and was having trouble starting. He
> >> > replaced the starter capacitor but it still has trouble starting. He
> >> > tested for leaks around the evaporator using a sniffer and found
> >> > none. The house air handlers (is that what they are called?) pressure
> >> > drop across the evaporator was found to be ok, and other tests he
> >> > performed.
>
> >> > He recommended cleaning the condenser fins, and replacing the blower
> >> > motor. The cost for the new blower motor was $500+ including labor.
> >> > Having purchased a new 1hp 115v TEFC motor for my bandsaw for little
> >> > over $100, I was wondering how this motor could cost so much to
> >> > replace. I told them thanks for the good work but I wanted to get
> >> > another estimate.
>
> >> > FYI - The tech charged us over $300 for the testing, service call and
> >> > charging of the freon, so I'm not against paying for the work that was
> >> > performed by a knowledable tech.
>
> >> > FYI part 2: I'm a homeowner, not a HVAC trained tech, but I have
> >> > extensive experience with various repairs and can easily turn off the
> >> > power and physically replace the motor. I have re-wired an entire
> >> > house including 220v appliances, piped in natural gas lines to
> >> > appliances and water heaters, re-done a house's entire plumbing system
> >> > (this is also called buying the wrong house to fix up, but that's
> >> > another story), and more. In my spare time I build furniture and
> >> > repair cars, so I think I'm able to swap parts now that the
> >> > diagnostics have been done.
>
> >> > My questions are:
>
> >> > * Is this estimate out of line for replacing the blower motor?
>
> >> > * Where can I get a Amana condenser blower motor for my unit so I can
> >> > replace it myself?
>
> >> > * I see on Ebay some blower motors for less than $100 (item
> >> > #170128953740). After searching this group and reading on replacing
> >> > motors I'm aware of the need for careful matching of direction, size
> >> > and amp draw. If I can find one that matches the HP, direction, shaft
> >> > dia and amp rating, wouldn't that work?
>
> >> > * What is the best way to clean the condenser fins? I am planning on
> >> > turning off the power to the unit and opening it up, spraying a simple
> >> > green and water solution, letting it soak a minute and then using a
> >> > garden hose to spray through it from the inside out (reverse flow for
> >> > my unit).
>
> >> > I can handle the flamers if some of you can provide me good
> >> > information.
>
> >> > Thanks in advance - Scott
>
> >> So the $500 motor replacement also included cleaning the condenser?
>
> >> I guess it's $500 because the tech knows WHICH motor to purchase and WHERE
> >> to purchase it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Thanks for the smartalec response, and no, it did not include
> >cleaning. Perhaps someone will provide some useful information
> >relating to my problem.
> >I can (if I can get the guy to answer his phone) have my wife's
> >friend's husband who is a HVAC tech and has his own company to either
> >replace it for me or source the part, but if I can do this w/o
> >bothering him during busy season so much the better. He didn't feel
> >like coming down to diagnose the problem (even when we insisted on
> >paying for it) - which I totally understood given he's on the other
> >end of town 30 miles away.
>
> Boo Hoo Hoo. You're a tight ass homemoaner and you think it should be
> free. Whaa-Whaa-Whaa.
> You say you can easily do it yourself BUT
> You dont know if what he quoted is "out of line"
> You dont know where to get an Amana condenser motor
> You saw a motor for less than $100 on E-bay but dont know if its right
> You dont know how to clean a condenser
> You say you can handle the flamers but you get pissy with them
> You replace the thermostat thinking that was your problem
> You want to replace your motor with a band saw motor
> Your wifes friends husband wont even call you back because you are
> such a POS PITA!
> You're a whiner. If it were so easy we would all be rocket scientists.
> Now go away.
> Bubba- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Just the response I expected having trolled through this group!
(GRIN)
Go back to watching the bug zapper Bubba, if you're qualified to do
that!


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Posted by Noon-Air on July 11, 2007, 8:56 am

>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > I have a 9 yr old Amana 4 ton 12 seer unit on my 9 yr old house in
>> >> > Houston TX. Yes, we use the AC nearly year-round so down here they
>> >> > seem to have a 10-15 year life span from what people tell me.
>>
>> >> > Mine is having kicking off problems where it stops before the
>> >> > requested amount of cooling. I replaced the computer thermostat
>> >> > with
>> >> > the original manual one and tested to see if the therm was the
>> >> > problem, which it was not. So, then I called a company a neighbor
>> >> > recommended and the tech appeared to be well trained and did many
>> >> > tests, found the systems (upper level was not giving any issue) to
>> >> > both be 2lbs low on coolant gas which he added. He also indicated
>> >> > the
>> >> > blower motor was over-amping and was having trouble starting. He
>> >> > replaced the starter capacitor but it still has trouble starting.
>> >> > He
>> >> > tested for leaks around the evaporator using a sniffer and found
>> >> > none. The house air handlers (is that what they are called?)
>> >> > pressure
>> >> > drop across the evaporator was found to be ok, and other tests he
>> >> > performed.
>>
>> >> > He recommended cleaning the condenser fins, and replacing the blower
>> >> > motor. The cost for the new blower motor was $500+ including labor.
>> >> > Having purchased a new 1hp 115v TEFC motor for my bandsaw for little
>> >> > over $100, I was wondering how this motor could cost so much to
>> >> > replace. I told them thanks for the good work but I wanted to get
>> >> > another estimate.
>>
>> >> > FYI - The tech charged us over $300 for the testing, service call
>> >> > and
>> >> > charging of the freon, so I'm not against paying for the work that
>> >> > was
>> >> > performed by a knowledable tech.
>>
>> >> > FYI part 2: I'm a homeowner, not a HVAC trained tech, but I have
>> >> > extensive experience with various repairs and can easily turn off
>> >> > the
>> >> > power and physically replace the motor. I have re-wired an entire
>> >> > house including 220v appliances, piped in natural gas lines to
>> >> > appliances and water heaters, re-done a house's entire plumbing
>> >> > system
>> >> > (this is also called buying the wrong house to fix up, but that's
>> >> > another story), and more. In my spare time I build furniture and
>> >> > repair cars, so I think I'm able to swap parts now that the
>> >> > diagnostics have been done.
>>
>> >> > My questions are:
>>
>> >> > * Is this estimate out of line for replacing the blower motor?
>>
>> >> > * Where can I get a Amana condenser blower motor for my unit so I
>> >> > can
>> >> > replace it myself?
>>
>> >> > * I see on Ebay some blower motors for less than $100 (item
>> >> > #170128953740). After searching this group and reading on replacing
>> >> > motors I'm aware of the need for careful matching of direction, size
>> >> > and amp draw. If I can find one that matches the HP, direction,
>> >> > shaft
>> >> > dia and amp rating, wouldn't that work?
>>
>> >> > * What is the best way to clean the condenser fins? I am planning
>> >> > on
>> >> > turning off the power to the unit and opening it up, spraying a
>> >> > simple
>> >> > green and water solution, letting it soak a minute and then using a
>> >> > garden hose to spray through it from the inside out (reverse flow
>> >> > for
>> >> > my unit).
>>
>> >> > I can handle the flamers if some of you can provide me good
>> >> > information.
>>
>> >> > Thanks in advance - Scott
>>
>> >> So the $500 motor replacement also included cleaning the condenser?
>>
>> >> I guess it's $500 because the tech knows WHICH motor to purchase and
>> >> WHERE
>> >> to purchase it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Thanks for the smartalec response, and no, it did not include
>> >cleaning. Perhaps someone will provide some useful information
>> >relating to my problem.
>> >I can (if I can get the guy to answer his phone) have my wife's
>> >friend's husband who is a HVAC tech and has his own company to either
>> >replace it for me or source the part, but if I can do this w/o
>> >bothering him during busy season so much the better. He didn't feel
>> >like coming down to diagnose the problem (even when we insisted on
>> >paying for it) - which I totally understood given he's on the other
>> >end of town 30 miles away.
>>
>> Boo Hoo Hoo. You're a tight ass homemoaner and you think it should be
>> free. Whaa-Whaa-Whaa.
>> You say you can easily do it yourself BUT
>> You dont know if what he quoted is "out of line"
>> You dont know where to get an Amana condenser motor
>> You saw a motor for less than $100 on E-bay but dont know if its right
>> You dont know how to clean a condenser
>> You say you can handle the flamers but you get pissy with them
>> You replace the thermostat thinking that was your problem
>> You want to replace your motor with a band saw motor
>> Your wifes friends husband wont even call you back because you are
>> such a POS PITA!
>> You're a whiner. If it were so easy we would all be rocket scientists.
>> Now go away.
>> Bubba- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Just the response I expected having trolled through this group!
> (GRIN)
> Go back to watching the bug zapper Bubba, if you're qualified to do
> that!

Very funny.... His system is most likely running in top shape. Mine is too.
Maybe if you call the first company back, they won't charge you a second
service call to replace you motor and give you a warranty on it. If you go
out and DIY, there is no warranty, and there is no returning of electrical
parts. You can get it done by a *competent*, licensed, insured,
professionally trained, HVAC techncian, OR you can get it done cheap.....
its you choice. We have to deal with cheap assed homeowners and landlords on
a daily basis, we have to show them every time why they pay us to do the job
right. There is a reason that your tech charges what he does.

If you wanna get pissy, you will get dropped into the killfile as so many
have before you. Your not special, you're just another cheap SOB wanting to
get it fixed for free.




Posted by Bubba on July 11, 2007, 4:21 pm
wrote:

>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > I have a 9 yr old Amana 4 ton 12 seer unit on my 9 yr old house in
>> >> > Houston TX. Yes, we use the AC nearly year-round so down here they
>> >> > seem to have a 10-15 year life span from what people tell me.
>>
>> >> > Mine is having kicking off problems where it stops before the
>> >> > requested amount of cooling. I replaced the computer thermostat with
>> >> > the original manual one and tested to see if the therm was the
>> >> > problem, which it was not. So, then I called a company a neighbor
>> >> > recommended and the tech appeared to be well trained and did many
>> >> > tests, found the systems (upper level was not giving any issue) to
>> >> > both be 2lbs low on coolant gas which he added. He also indicated the
>> >> > blower motor was over-amping and was having trouble starting. He
>> >> > replaced the starter capacitor but it still has trouble starting. He
>> >> > tested for leaks around the evaporator using a sniffer and found
>> >> > none. The house air handlers (is that what they are called?) pressure
>> >> > drop across the evaporator was found to be ok, and other tests he
>> >> > performed.
>>
>> >> > He recommended cleaning the condenser fins, and replacing the blower
>> >> > motor. The cost for the new blower motor was $500+ including labor.
>> >> > Having purchased a new 1hp 115v TEFC motor for my bandsaw for little
>> >> > over $100, I was wondering how this motor could cost so much to
>> >> > replace. I told them thanks for the good work but I wanted to get
>> >> > another estimate.
>>
>> >> > FYI - The tech charged us over $300 for the testing, service call and
>> >> > charging of the freon, so I'm not against paying for the work that was
>> >> > performed by a knowledable tech.
>>
>> >> > FYI part 2: I'm a homeowner, not a HVAC trained tech, but I have
>> >> > extensive experience with various repairs and can easily turn off the
>> >> > power and physically replace the motor. I have re-wired an entire
>> >> > house including 220v appliances, piped in natural gas lines to
>> >> > appliances and water heaters, re-done a house's entire plumbing system
>> >> > (this is also called buying the wrong house to fix up, but that's
>> >> > another story), and more. In my spare time I build furniture and
>> >> > repair cars, so I think I'm able to swap parts now that the
>> >> > diagnostics have been done.
>>
>> >> > My questions are:
>>
>> >> > * Is this estimate out of line for replacing the blower motor?
>>
>> >> > * Where can I get a Amana condenser blower motor for my unit so I can
>> >> > replace it myself?
>>
>> >> > * I see on Ebay some blower motors for less than $100 (item
>> >> > #170128953740). After searching this group and reading on replacing
>> >> > motors I'm aware of the need for careful matching of direction, size
>> >> > and amp draw. If I can find one that matches the HP, direction, shaft
>> >> > dia and amp rating, wouldn't that work?
>>
>> >> > * What is the best way to clean the condenser fins? I am planning on
>> >> > turning off the power to the unit and opening it up, spraying a simple
>> >> > green and water solution, letting it soak a minute and then using a
>> >> > garden hose to spray through it from the inside out (reverse flow for
>> >> > my unit).
>>
>> >> > I can handle the flamers if some of you can provide me good
>> >> > information.
>>
>> >> > Thanks in advance - Scott
>>
>> >> So the $500 motor replacement also included cleaning the condenser?
>>
>> >> I guess it's $500 because the tech knows WHICH motor to purchase and WHERE
>> >> to purchase it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Thanks for the smartalec response, and no, it did not include
>> >cleaning. Perhaps someone will provide some useful information
>> >relating to my problem.
>> >I can (if I can get the guy to answer his phone) have my wife's
>> >friend's husband who is a HVAC tech and has his own company to either
>> >replace it for me or source the part, but if I can do this w/o
>> >bothering him during busy season so much the better. He didn't feel
>> >like coming down to diagnose the problem (even when we insisted on
>> >paying for it) - which I totally understood given he's on the other
>> >end of town 30 miles away.
>>
>> Boo Hoo Hoo. You're a tight ass homemoaner and you think it should be
>> free. Whaa-Whaa-Whaa.
>> You say you can easily do it yourself BUT
>> You dont know if what he quoted is "out of line"
>> You dont know where to get an Amana condenser motor
>> You saw a motor for less than $100 on E-bay but dont know if its right
>> You dont know how to clean a condenser
>> You say you can handle the flamers but you get pissy with them
>> You replace the thermostat thinking that was your problem
>> You want to replace your motor with a band saw motor
>> Your wifes friends husband wont even call you back because you are
>> such a POS PITA!
>> You're a whiner. If it were so easy we would all be rocket scientists.
>> Now go away.
>> Bubba- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Just the response I expected having trolled through this group!
>(GRIN)
>Go back to watching the bug zapper Bubba, if you're qualified to do
>that!

Thats my typical response for tight-ass dip-shits like yourself. While
you're out buying that motor you might wanna spring for two of them
since you seem to be so intent on "cramming it full of oil". Hopefully
you got a quart in each oil port. THey need lots of oil to run
efficiently.
By the way..........my system is running perfectly and efficiently.
It's very cool and dehumidified in here with the recent hot and muggy
spell.
Looks like you might need a bug zapper too. My bug zapper is also
working quite well, thank you.
Bubba

Posted by Mo Hoaner on July 12, 2007, 10:13 pm

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I have a 9 yr old Amana 4 ton 12 seer unit on my 9 yr old house in
>> > Houston TX. Yes, we use the AC nearly year-round so down here they
>> > seem to have a 10-15 year life span from what people tell me.
>>
>> > Mine is having kicking off problems where it stops before the
>> > requested amount of cooling. I replaced the computer thermostat with
>> > the original manual one and tested to see if the therm was the
>> > problem, which it was not. So, then I called a company a neighbor
>> > recommended and the tech appeared to be well trained and did many
>> > tests, found the systems (upper level was not giving any issue) to
>> > both be 2lbs low on coolant gas which he added. He also indicated the
>> > blower motor was over-amping and was having trouble starting. He
>> > replaced the starter capacitor but it still has trouble starting. He
>> > tested for leaks around the evaporator using a sniffer and found
>> > none. The house air handlers (is that what they are called?) pressure
>> > drop across the evaporator was found to be ok, and other tests he
>> > performed.
>>
>> > He recommended cleaning the condenser fins, and replacing the blower
>> > motor. The cost for the new blower motor was $500+ including labor.
>> > Having purchased a new 1hp 115v TEFC motor for my bandsaw for little
>> > over $100, I was wondering how this motor could cost so much to
>> > replace. I told them thanks for the good work but I wanted to get
>> > another estimate.

Lets see.... How many hours did the motor on your bandsaw operate before
failing? Probably less than 100 total. How many hours does the motor in your
AC run between failures? Well, since you say you use the AC year round, I
would guess (on average) 9 (hours a day) * 365 = 3285 (hours a year) * 9
(years since you got it) = 29565 (running hours) So.... $500 installed /
29565 (hours of nice cool air) = $.016 per hour. Compare this with your
bandsaw motor.... ~$1.00 per hour of use. I'm pretty certain that you
weren't as miserable while the bandsaw was proken as you are sitting there
in the nice Houston, TX heat with no AC.

>> > FYI - The tech charged us over $300 for the testing, service call and
>> > charging of the freon, so I'm not against paying for the work that was
>> > performed by a knowledable tech.

Lets see... that was about $.01 per hour of NICE COOL AIR based on the above
calcs.


>> > FYI part 2: I'm a ho moaner, not a licensed, qualified, trained HVAC
>> > tech, but I have
>> > extensive experience with various repairs and can easily turn off the
>> > power and physically replace the motor. I have re-wired an entire
>> > house including 220v appliances, piped in natural gas lines to
>> > appliances and water heaters, re-done a house's entire plumbing system
>> > (this is also called buying the wrong house to fix up, but that's
>> > another story), and more. In my spare time I build furniture and
>> > repair cars, so I think I'm able to swap parts now that the
>> > diagnostics have been done.

And, you think you have a valid insurance policy on that Fixer-Upper house -
Oh yeah, never mind... "but that's another story"

>> > My questions are:
>>
>> > * Is this estimate out of line for replacing the blower motor?
>>
>> > * Where can I get a Amana condenser blower motor for my unit so I can
>> > replace it myself?

Are you sure it's the condenser motor that's bad?

>> > * I see on Ebay some blower motors for less than $100 (item
>> > #170128953740). After searching this group and reading on replacing
>> > motors I'm aware of the need for careful matching of direction, size
>> > and amp draw. If I can find one that matches the HP, direction, shaft
>> > dia and amp rating, wouldn't that work?

Sure, if it's the correct motor. If you want cheep, why not get a real Amana
motor.... 250141875975. It comes from New Orleans, so it's probably water
cooled.

>> > * What is the best way to clean the condenser fins? I am planning on
>> > turning off the power to the unit and opening it up, spraying a simple
>> > green and water solution, letting it soak a minute and then using a
>> > garden hose to spray through it from the inside out (reverse flow for
>> > my unit).
>>
>> > I can handle the flamers if some of you can provide me good
>> > information.
>>
>> > Thanks in advance - Scott

Remember, according to "what people tell you", yours is nearly at
end-of-life.



Posted by Ken on July 11, 2007, 8:18 am
Scott wrote:
> I have a 9 yr old Amana 4 ton 12 seer unit on my 9 yr old house in
> Houston TX. Yes, we use the AC nearly year-round so down here they
> seem to have a 10-15 year life span from what people tell me.
>
> Mine is having kicking off problems where it stops before the
> requested amount of cooling. I replaced the computer thermostat with
> the original manual one and tested to see if the therm was the
> problem, which it was not. So, then I called a company a neighbor
> recommended and the tech appeared to be well trained and did many
> tests, found the systems (upper level was not giving any issue) to
> both be 2lbs low on coolant gas which he added. He also indicated the
> blower motor was over-amping and was having trouble starting. He
> replaced the starter capacitor but it still has trouble starting. He
> tested for leaks around the evaporator using a sniffer and found
> none. The house air handlers (is that what they are called?) pressure
> drop across the evaporator was found to be ok, and other tests he
> performed.
>
> He recommended cleaning the condenser fins, and replacing the blower
> motor. The cost for the new blower motor was $500+ including labor.
> Having purchased a new 1hp 115v TEFC motor for my bandsaw for little
> over $100, I was wondering how this motor could cost so much to
> replace. I told them thanks for the good work but I wanted to get
> another estimate.
>
> FYI - The tech charged us over $300 for the testing, service call and
> charging of the freon, so I'm not against paying for the work that was
> performed by a knowledable tech.
>
> FYI part 2: I'm a homeowner, not a HVAC trained tech, but I have
> extensive experience with various repairs and can easily turn off the
> power and physically replace the motor. I have re-wired an entire
> house including 220v appliances, piped in natural gas lines to
> appliances and water heaters, re-done a house's entire plumbing system
> (this is also called buying the wrong house to fix up, but that's
> another story), and more. In my spare time I build furniture and
> repair cars, so I think I'm able to swap parts now that the
> diagnostics have been done.
>
> My questions are:
>
> * Is this estimate out of line for replacing the blower motor?
>
> * Where can I get a Amana condenser blower motor for my unit so I can
> replace it myself?
>
> * I see on Ebay some blower motors for less than $100 (item
> #170128953740). After searching this group and reading on replacing
> motors I'm aware of the need for careful matching of direction, size
> and amp draw. If I can find one that matches the HP, direction, shaft
> dia and amp rating, wouldn't that work?
>
> * What is the best way to clean the condenser fins? I am planning on
> turning off the power to the unit and opening it up, spraying a simple
> green and water solution, letting it soak a minute and then using a
> garden hose to spray through it from the inside out (reverse flow for
> my unit).
>
> I can handle the flamers if some of you can provide me good
> information.
>
> Thanks in advance - Scott
>

        You say above "He also indicated the blower motor was over-amping and
was having trouble starting." The blower motor is generally defined as
the motor in your air handler that moves the air in your home.

        Toward the end of your post you say "Where can I get a Amana condenser
blower motor for my unit so I can replace it myself?" These are two
different motors. One moves air through the evaporator coil and the
other through the condenser coil. Which one do you need?

        If your "Motor" is turning off, are both fan motors turning off or just
one of them? Needing two pounds of freon is not a good omen. Lack of
coolant will make the compressor run hot and that could cause it to shut
down. You would do well to find fix the leak first. Define your
problem further.

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