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Any Rheem guys out there? Gary 06-01-2008
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Posted by Gary on June 1, 2008, 2:11 pm
I just came back from my neighbors unit, its a 14 SEER Rheem R22 split HP.
We walk our dogs together so he asked me if I could look at it tomorrow.
He said it wasn't cooling when he got home yesterday so he shut off
all night. I went & get my tools & checked it for him today. Water had been
coming out of his secondary overflow at the eave so I figured it was
probably the attic float switch. I used a wet vac on the secondary &
primary & the system started up O.K. Here's where things get screwy.
I checked the pressures & the system has fixed 25-30 degree
superheat(TXV) on the plate.
According to the chart the head pressures were right on
the money.
SP - 55 psi
HP - 225 psi
SH - 27 deg.
SC - 20 deg.
86 DB outside temp
80 DB inside temp

Temp across indoor coil 12 deg.

I originally thought the charge was low but I always check the unit specs
when available first.
Any other unit I would say would have a restriction
with high SH & SC but I've never seen a TXV that calls for such high SH.
It doesn't even have a subcooling reference at all.
Its pouring water out of the drain so its obviously doing some
dehumidifying. I'm going back to check in the morning when I'll actually
feel like working but curious if any one familiar with Rheem has ever run
into this funky TXV 25-30 deg. SH spec. on a residential unit.

Posted by Noon-Air on June 1, 2008, 6:25 pm

>I just came back from my neighbors unit, its a 14 SEER Rheem R22 split HP.
> We walk our dogs together so he asked me if I could look at it tomorrow.
> He said it wasn't cooling when he got home yesterday so he shut off
> all night. I went & get my tools & checked it for him today. Water had
> been
> coming out of his secondary overflow at the eave so I figured it was
> probably the attic float switch. I used a wet vac on the secondary &
> primary & the system started up O.K. Here's where things get screwy.
> I checked the pressures & the system has fixed 25-30 degree
> superheat(TXV) on the plate.

I need model and serial numbers.

> According to the chart the head pressures were right on
> the money.
> SP - 55 psi
> HP - 225 psi
> SH - 27 deg.
> SC - 20 deg.
> 86 DB outside temp
> 80 DB inside temp
>
> Temp across indoor coil 12 deg.
>
> I originally thought the charge was low but I always check the unit specs
> when available first.
> Any other unit I would say would have a restriction
> with high SH & SC but I've never seen a TXV that calls for such high SH.

Something is not right.. need model and serial numbers.

> It doesn't even have a subcooling reference at all.
> Its pouring water out of the drain so its obviously doing some
> dehumidifying. I'm going back to check in the morning when I'll actually
> feel like working but curious if any one familiar with Rheem has ever run
> into this funky TXV 25-30 deg. SH spec. on a residential unit.

What are the model numbers for the heat pump and the air handler? The coil
model number would be good too.

As a rule, with Rheem stuff, you want 10 - 14 degrees of subcooling.

My first impression is that its overcharged....and there may be an airflow
restriction to complicate matters, and until I know what the model numbers
are, I really can't tell you much else.


Posted by Zyp on June 1, 2008, 6:52 pm
Noon-Air wrote:
>> I just came back from my neighbors unit, its a 14 SEER Rheem R22
>> split HP. We walk our dogs together so he asked me if I could look
>> at it tomorrow. He said it wasn't cooling when he got home yesterday
>> so he shut off all night. I went & get my tools & checked it for him
>> today. Water
>> had been
>> coming out of his secondary overflow at the eave so I figured it was
>> probably the attic float switch. I used a wet vac on the secondary &
>> primary & the system started up O.K. Here's where things get screwy.
>> I checked the pressures & the system has fixed 25-30 degree
>> superheat(TXV) on the plate.
>
> I need model and serial numbers.
>
>> According to the chart the head pressures were right on
>> the money.
>> SP - 55 psi
>> HP - 225 psi
>> SH - 27 deg.
>> SC - 20 deg.
>> 86 DB outside temp
>> 80 DB inside temp
>>
>> Temp across indoor coil 12 deg.
>>
>> I originally thought the charge was low but I always check the unit
>> specs when available first.
>> Any other unit I would say would have a restriction
>> with high SH & SC but I've never seen a TXV that calls for such high
>> SH.
>
> Something is not right.. need model and serial numbers.
>
>> It doesn't even have a subcooling reference at all.
>> Its pouring water out of the drain so its obviously doing some
>> dehumidifying. I'm going back to check in the morning when I'll
>> actually feel like working but curious if any one familiar with
>> Rheem has ever run into this funky TXV 25-30 deg. SH spec. on a
>> residential unit.
>
> What are the model numbers for the heat pump and the air handler? The
> coil model number would be good too.
>
> As a rule, with Rheem stuff, you want 10 - 14 degrees of subcooling.
>
> My first impression is that its overcharged....and there may be an
> airflow restriction to complicate matters, and until I know what the
> model numbers are, I really can't tell you much else.

Superheat's too high for low air flow. I'm thinking the screen at the TXV
is clogged or semi - clogged. Seems like the condenser's back up [high
sub-cool] and the evaporator is dry [not enough refrigerant]. low
performance [low TD on evap.] is also evidence that there's not enough
refrigerant flow.

You should have a higher suction with the indoor temp. @ 80 deg., and a 10 -
14 deg superheat.

Check your TXV inlet screen.

--
Zyp



Posted by Gary on June 1, 2008, 9:43 pm
The problem is the TXV is supposedly non adjustable fixed between 25-30
degrees.
I've never heard of such a thing on a Heat Pump.

Posted by Gary on June 1, 2008, 8:43 pm
>
> I need model and serial numbers.
>
>> According to the chart the head pressures were right on
>> the money.
>> SP - 55 psi
>> HP - 225 psi
>> SH - 27 deg.
>> SC - 20 deg.
>> 86 DB outside temp
>
>
> Something is not right.. need model and serial numbers.
>
>> It doesn't even have a subcooling reference at all.
>> Its pouring water out of the drain so its obviously doing some
>> dehumidifying. I'm going back to check in the morning when I'll actually
>> feel like working but curious if any one familiar with Rheem has ever run
>> into this funky TXV 25-30 deg. SH spec. on a residential unit.
>
> What are the model numbers for the heat pump and the air handler? The coil
> model number would be good too.
>
> As a rule, with Rheem stuff, you want 10 - 14 degrees of subcooling.
>
> My first impression is that its overcharged....and there may be an airflow
> restriction to complicate matters, and until I know what the model numbers
> are, I really can't tell you much else.

Outside Model # RPNJ031JAZ
I'll probably get the indoor model numbers tomorrow.
I was in shorts & sandals & not about to go into the attic today.
I just came back from walking my dog again & he said everything was
working great. It's cold as ice in the house & it got to 90 degrees
outside after I left.


I might try another set of gauges tommorrow just to be sure but it has
specific charging instructions on the unit inside cover. They say that the
TXV used for cooling is non adjustible with a fixed 25 to 30 degree SH.
It doesn't have any subcooling specs but it gives specific head pressure
readings under outside ambient conditions. The SH just doesn't make sense.
My Suction line temp was 57 & air coming out was 68 which seems about
right. According to what's written on the unit I'd need to have about
47 psi on the suction line to get a good temp drop across the coil.
Most Rheems that I've worked on have a little higher than normal suction
pressures because they run well over 400 cfm's per ton.
Maybe this was one of Rheems experimental units.
I can't find it listed in ARI at all.

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