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Any Rheem guys out there? Gary 06-01-2008
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Posted by KJPRO on June 2, 2008, 12:45 pm

> Eight years? Did he have the coils cleaned, in that time?
>
> Another idea. Many times, when I'm diagnosing, the amp draw is the number
> that sheds light on the matter. see how hard the compressor is working.


There's the ole "clean the coils and measure the amp draw" routine.

How about measuring the "current draw"?



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Posted by Stormin Mormon on June 2, 2008, 8:51 am
Water coming out the secondary drain is always a concern, to me. Makes me
wonder, if the primary drain is clogged.

Since he had the unit turned off over night, it's possible the evaporator
was frozen over. Not as likely with a TXV coil, though. High super heat may
be from humidity removal.

Good idea to check the temperature of the liquid line leaving the condensor.
I'm finding that most of the systems I am asked to service have dirty
condensors. Many times, some condensor cleaning is all the system really
needed. Please let us know what you find.

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>
> I need model and serial numbers.
>
>> According to the chart the head pressures were right on
>> the money.
>> SP - 55 psi
>> HP - 225 psi
>> SH - 27 deg.
>> SC - 20 deg.
>> 86 DB outside temp
>
>
> Something is not right.. need model and serial numbers.
>
>> It doesn't even have a subcooling reference at all.
>> Its pouring water out of the drain so its obviously doing some
>> dehumidifying. I'm going back to check in the morning when I'll actually
>> feel like working but curious if any one familiar with Rheem has ever run
>> into this funky TXV 25-30 deg. SH spec. on a residential unit.
>
> What are the model numbers for the heat pump and the air handler? The coil
> model number would be good too.
>
> As a rule, with Rheem stuff, you want 10 - 14 degrees of subcooling.
>
> My first impression is that its overcharged....and there may be an airflow
> restriction to complicate matters, and until I know what the model numbers
> are, I really can't tell you much else.

Outside Model # RPNJ031JAZ
I'll probably get the indoor model numbers tomorrow.
I was in shorts & sandals & not about to go into the attic today.
I just came back from walking my dog again & he said everything was
working great. It's cold as ice in the house & it got to 90 degrees
outside after I left.


I might try another set of gauges tommorrow just to be sure but it has
specific charging instructions on the unit inside cover. They say that the
TXV used for cooling is non adjustible with a fixed 25 to 30 degree SH.
It doesn't have any subcooling specs but it gives specific head pressure
readings under outside ambient conditions. The SH just doesn't make sense.
My Suction line temp was 57 & air coming out was 68 which seems about
right. According to what's written on the unit I'd need to have about
47 psi on the suction line to get a good temp drop across the coil.
Most Rheems that I've worked on have a little higher than normal suction
pressures because they run well over 400 cfm's per ton.
Maybe this was one of Rheems experimental units.
I can't find it listed in ARI at all.



Posted by KJPRO on June 2, 2008, 12:48 pm

> Water coming out the secondary drain is always a concern, to me. Makes me
> wonder, if the primary drain is clogged.


No shit?


> Since he had the unit turned off over night, it's possible the evaporator
> was frozen over. Not as likely with a TXV coil, though.


Really, post the facts that back this up... I won't be waiting long.


> High super heat may
> be from humidity removal.
>
> Good idea to check the temperature of the liquid line leaving the
> condensor.
> I'm finding that most of the systems I am asked to service have dirty
> condensors.


Time for a good ole cleaning Eh?


> Many times, some condensor cleaning is all the system really
> needed. Please let us know what you find.


So you can parrot the results on the next HP thead?



Posted by Gary on June 2, 2008, 1:55 pm
Rheem
Outdoor unit Model RPNJ031JAZ man. date 10/99
Air Handler Model RHBHB-21J11NFAA
Coil model RCHJ-36A1G


Things look a little better today:
Getting about a 14 degree drop.
75 db inside
85 db outside

S Pres 64
S Temp 59
H Pres 210
LL Temp 87

So I'm running about 23 deg. SH & 18 deg. SC
I reread the charge plate & it definitely says:
"system equipped with non adjustable fixed TXV's - 25 -30 degree
superheat cooling & 10-15 deg. superheat heating"
Also on the unit it specs 10 -15 deg. liqid line temp above outdoor
ambient. Since I'm only 2 degrees above that suggests an overcharge.

I did notice a 1/4" liquid line set which was smaller than both indoor &
outdoor line set connections. So it should be 3/8" line set or at least
5/16". Plus its probably over 50 ft. line sets. That might account for the
higher than normal SC.

Well the owner is happy & it's cooling the house fine so I'm not touching
it for now. I'll still keep researching.

Posted by Noon-Air on June 2, 2008, 5:15 pm

> Rheem
> Outdoor unit Model RPNJ031JAZ man. date 10/99
> Air Handler Model RHBHB-21J11NFAA
> Coil model RCHJ-36A1G
>
>
> Things look a little better today:
> Getting about a 14 degree drop.
> 75 db inside
> 85 db outside
>
> S Pres 64
> S Temp 59
> H Pres 210
> LL Temp 87
>
> So I'm running about 23 deg. SH & 18 deg. SC
> I reread the charge plate & it definitely says:
> "system equipped with non adjustable fixed TXV's - 25 -30 degree
> superheat cooling & 10-15 deg. superheat heating"
> Also on the unit it specs 10 -15 deg. liqid line temp above outdoor
> ambient. Since I'm only 2 degrees above that suggests an overcharge.
>
> I did notice a 1/4" liquid line set which was smaller than both indoor &
> outdoor line set connections. So it should be 3/8" line set or at least
> 5/16". Plus its probably over 50 ft. line sets. That might account for the
> higher than normal SC.
>
> Well the owner is happy & it's cooling the house fine so I'm not touching
> it for now. I'll still keep researching.

1/4 inch LL?? Is this the second system since the house was built?? If it
is, was the first system a Lennox?? That 1/4 inch LL will make for a high
SC, and high LLP.
BTW, your correct...over 50ft does require a 3/8LL. the RBHB air handler is
not the correct one for that heat pump(at least not for it to be 14SEER),
the one needed for that heat pump is either an RBHJ or RBHK with the ECM
blower motor....the coil is ok, it was added as the air handler didn't come
with a coil installed...

If your neighbor wants you to replace his 2 1/2 ton system in the future,
try this out for size...
RPNL-030JEZ heat pump with an RHLL-HW3617JA air handler. ARI rates it as
15SEER with 9.25HSPF. ARI REF# 823415


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