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Posted by Jonathan Kamens on April 18, 2007, 6:12 pm
Greetings,
I'm trying to figure out how much cooling capacity we need
for our small machine room. The numbers I'm getting seem
absurdly high, so I thought I'd run it past the denizens of
this newsgroup and see if anyone has any suggestions.
The room is 9 ft. x 17 ft. x 10 ft. high. There's no drop
ceiling or raised floor. Two vents from the house A/C
discharge into the room, and there's a return vent venting
into the drop ceiling in the hallway. It's not a designed
machine room per se; it's more of a big closet that we're
using to hold our racks.
There are 4 long flourescent bulbs in the room, which I
suspect don't add much to the heat load.
We've got two racks of hardware, a couple of small desktops
and a CRT monitor. One of the racks is about 2/3 full of
various pieces of network hardware -- PoE switches, switches,
minihubs, CSU/DSU, and a couple of breadbox PCs that are our
firewalls.
The other rack is pretty much full of servers, most of which
are 1U servers whose power load is 560W and whose specs claim
a BTU rating of 2750 (which seems a bit high, but that's what
the specs say).
When we were relying on just the house A/C vents to cool the
room, it was always very warm in front of the racks, and
downright hot in back of them. When the temperature behind
the racks hit 100 deg. F and the HDD temperature monitor I
was running on one of the desktops hit 54 deg. C, I decided
it was time to do something about the problem. I called Spot
Coolers and described the situation, and they suggested a
1.5-ton MovinCool unit, which we agreed to. We ran 12-inch
flexible plastic ducting from the cooler to the return vent.
The unit managed to get the temperature in the room
(according to its thermometer) down to around 74 degrees, and
the temperature behind the racks got down to around 80. Then
we turned on a few more servers, and now the room temperature
is hovering around 79 and the behind the racks it's up to
around 90. I find it hard to believe that the few servers we
turned on made that big of a difference, so I suspect that
there are other environmental differences going on, although
I'm not sure what they could be.
Since we would ideally like to keep the room around 68
degrees, clearly the 1.5-ton unit isn't big enough. The
question is, how much capacity do we need?
I took an inventory of all the hardware in the room and
recorded from each item's specifications the BTU if given or
the wattage * 3.5 (a metric I found in several places on-line)
otherwise. When I totaled everything, I got 75,103 BTU, or
6.3 tons. I find it extremely hard to believe that less than
two full racks of hardware can generate that much heat, but
perhaps I'm hearkening back in the days when most servers only
had one CPU :-).
I guess the question I need sanity-checked by the experts here
is, can two racks of hardware reasonably generate that much
heat? If so, and we want to leave open the possibility of
adding a third rack of hardware to the room, it seems to me
that we're going to have to get a 10-ton unit. Are there even
10-ton coolers that'll fit in a small machine room?
Thanks for any help and advice you can provide.
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Posted by Bubba on April 18, 2007, 6:31 pm
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:12:25 +0000 (UTC), jik@kamens.brookline.ma.us
(Jonathan Kamens) wrote:
>Greetings,
>I'm trying to figure out how much cooling capacity we need
>for our small machine room. The numbers I'm getting seem
>absurdly high, so I thought I'd run it past the denizens of
>this newsgroup and see if anyone has any suggestions.
>The room is 9 ft. x 17 ft. x 10 ft. high. There's no drop
>ceiling or raised floor. Two vents from the house A/C
>discharge into the room, and there's a return vent venting
>into the drop ceiling in the hallway. It's not a designed
>machine room per se; it's more of a big closet that we're
>using to hold our racks.
>There are 4 long flourescent bulbs in the room, which I
>suspect don't add much to the heat load.
>We've got two racks of hardware, a couple of small desktops
>and a CRT monitor. One of the racks is about 2/3 full of
>various pieces of network hardware -- PoE switches, switches,
>minihubs, CSU/DSU, and a couple of breadbox PCs that are our
>firewalls.
>The other rack is pretty much full of servers, most of which
>are 1U servers whose power load is 560W and whose specs claim
>a BTU rating of 2750 (which seems a bit high, but that's what
>the specs say).
>When we were relying on just the house A/C vents to cool the
>room, it was always very warm in front of the racks, and
>downright hot in back of them. When the temperature behind
>the racks hit 100 deg. F and the HDD temperature monitor I
>was running on one of the desktops hit 54 deg. C, I decided
>it was time to do something about the problem. I called Spot
>Coolers and described the situation, and they suggested a
>1.5-ton MovinCool unit, which we agreed to. We ran 12-inch
>flexible plastic ducting from the cooler to the return vent.
>The unit managed to get the temperature in the room
>(according to its thermometer) down to around 74 degrees, and
>the temperature behind the racks got down to around 80. Then
>we turned on a few more servers, and now the room temperature
>is hovering around 79 and the behind the racks it's up to
>around 90. I find it hard to believe that the few servers we
>turned on made that big of a difference, so I suspect that
>there are other environmental differences going on, although
>I'm not sure what they could be.
>Since we would ideally like to keep the room around 68
>degrees, clearly the 1.5-ton unit isn't big enough. The
>question is, how much capacity do we need?
>I took an inventory of all the hardware in the room and
>recorded from each item's specifications the BTU if given or
>the wattage * 3.5 (a metric I found in several places on-line)
>otherwise. When I totaled everything, I got 75,103 BTU, or
>6.3 tons. I find it extremely hard to believe that less than
>two full racks of hardware can generate that much heat, but
>perhaps I'm hearkening back in the days when most servers only
>had one CPU :-).
>I guess the question I need sanity-checked by the experts here
>is, can two racks of hardware reasonably generate that much
>heat? If so, and we want to leave open the possibility of
>adding a third rack of hardware to the room, it seems to me
>that we're going to have to get a 10-ton unit. Are there even
>10-ton coolers that'll fit in a small machine room?
>Thanks for any help and advice you can provide.
As soon as you fill my PayPal account with the appropriate amount of
US Dollars I'll be happy to perform any load calculation services or
other services you require. Im not a whore but I can be bought.
Bubba :-)
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Posted by on April 18, 2007, 7:33 pm
jik@kamens.brookline.ma.us (Jonathan Kamens) wrote:
>Greetings,
>I'm trying to figure out how much cooling capacity we need
>for our small machine room. The numbers I'm getting seem
>absurdly high, so I thought I'd run it past the denizens of
>this newsgroup and see if anyone has any suggestions.
>The room is 9 ft. x 17 ft. x 10 ft. high. There's no drop
>ceiling or raised floor. Two vents from the house A/C
>discharge into the room, and there's a return vent venting
>into the drop ceiling in the hallway. It's not a designed
>machine room per se; it's more of a big closet that we're
>using to hold our racks.
>There are 4 long flourescent bulbs in the room, which I
>suspect don't add much to the heat load.
>We've got two racks of hardware, a couple of small desktops
>and a CRT monitor. One of the racks is about 2/3 full of
>various pieces of network hardware -- PoE switches, switches,
>minihubs, CSU/DSU, and a couple of breadbox PCs that are our
>firewalls.
>The other rack is pretty much full of servers, most of which
>are 1U servers whose power load is 560W and whose specs claim
>a BTU rating of 2750 (which seems a bit high, but that's what
>the specs say).
>When we were relying on just the house A/C vents to cool the
>room, it was always very warm in front of the racks, and
>downright hot in back of them. When the temperature behind
>the racks hit 100 deg. F and the HDD temperature monitor I
>was running on one of the desktops hit 54 deg. C, I decided
>it was time to do something about the problem. I called Spot
>Coolers and described the situation, and they suggested a
>1.5-ton MovinCool unit, which we agreed to. We ran 12-inch
>flexible plastic ducting from the cooler to the return vent.
>The unit managed to get the temperature in the room
>(according to its thermometer) down to around 74 degrees, and
>the temperature behind the racks got down to around 80. Then
>we turned on a few more servers, and now the room temperature
>is hovering around 79 and the behind the racks it's up to
>around 90. I find it hard to believe that the few servers we
>turned on made that big of a difference, so I suspect that
>there are other environmental differences going on, although
>I'm not sure what they could be.
>Since we would ideally like to keep the room around 68
>degrees, clearly the 1.5-ton unit isn't big enough. The
>question is, how much capacity do we need?
>I took an inventory of all the hardware in the room and
>recorded from each item's specifications the BTU if given or
>the wattage * 3.5 (a metric I found in several places on-line)
>otherwise. When I totaled everything, I got 75,103 BTU, or
>6.3 tons. I find it extremely hard to believe that less than
>two full racks of hardware can generate that much heat, but
>perhaps I'm hearkening back in the days when most servers only
>had one CPU :-).
>I guess the question I need sanity-checked by the experts here
>is, can two racks of hardware reasonably generate that much
>heat? If so, and we want to leave open the possibility of
>adding a third rack of hardware to the room, it seems to me
>that we're going to have to get a 10-ton unit. Are there even
>10-ton coolers that'll fit in a small machine room?
>Thanks for any help and advice you can provide.
Although you've did a fair job of describing your particular
situation, there are still far too many unknowns to provide you with
the answers you seek.
Is it terribly brilliant to have all of your cooling capacity in one
unit, so that when it goes down, even for routine maintenance, your
servers go down as well?
Install a 2 - 3 ton ductless mini-split with inverter technology.
Most come with low-ambient cooling as standard features.
As load increases, add another ductless mini split. Multiple units
with overlapping capacity is far more desirable than one stand-alone.
And yes, Liebert has a 10 ton, 2 compressor model that will easily fit
in your room. Of course you will need to locate the remote condensor
somewhere else, either roof or side yard.
Do you even have the required additional ampacity in your electrical
panel for a 10 ton unit?
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Posted by Jonathan Kamens on April 18, 2007, 10:17 pm
gofish@gonefishin.net writes:
> jik@kamens.brookline.ma.us (Jonathan Kamens) wrote:
>>I guess the question I need sanity-checked by the experts here
>>is, can two racks of hardware reasonably generate that much
>>heat? If so, and we want to leave open the possibility of
>>adding a third rack of hardware to the room, it seems to me
>>that we're going to have to get a 10-ton unit. Are there even
>>10-ton coolers that'll fit in a small machine room?
>Although you've did a fair job of describing your particular
>situation, there are still far too many unknowns to provide you with
>the answers you seek.
Although you gave a lot of useful information in your
response, it doesn't seem like you touched on my most
important question, so I've quoted it above (and note that I
spelled it out in my Subject line). Let me reiterate... I'm
not yet at the point of focusing on figuring out how to cool
the room. I'm certainly going to have to do that, but for
that I'm probably going to bring in experts. My biggest
question at this point is, is it really possible for less than
two racks of hardware to produce over 6 tons of heating
capacity, or are my calculations totally whacked?
>Is it terribly brilliant to have all of your cooling capacity in one
>unit, so that when it goes down, even for routine maintenance, your
>servers go down as well?
No, probably not, but again, this is not the question I'm
most concerned with at this point.
>Install a 2 - 3 ton ductless mini-split with inverter technology.
>Most come with low-ambient cooling as standard features.
>As load increases, add another ductless mini split. Multiple units
>with overlapping capacity is far more desirable than one stand-alone.
All this sounds lovely, albeit filled with terms I do not
recognize or understand, which is why when it comes time to
figure out how to actually cool the room properly, I'm
probably going to bring in experts.
>And yes, Liebert has a 10 ton, 2 compressor model that will easily fit
>in your room. Of course you will need to locate the remote condensor
>somewhere else, either roof or side yard.
I'm aware that there are adequate units with remote
compressorts that will fit in the room. I am more curious
about self-contained units, since it is likely to be
difficult to convince our landlord to install a unit with a
remote compressor.
>Do you even have the required additional ampacity in your electrical
>panel for a 10 ton unit?
If not, then we'll just have to install new circuits.
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Posted by on April 18, 2007, 10:49 pm
> My biggest
> question at this point is, is it really possible for less than
> two racks of hardware to produce over 6 tons of heating
> capacity,
Yes
> >Do you even have the required additional ampacity in your electrical
> >panel for a 10 ton unit?
> If not, then we'll just have to install new circuits.
New circuits don't cure the problem of having an inadequite electric panel.
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>I'm trying to figure out how much cooling capacity we need
>for our small machine room. The numbers I'm getting seem
>absurdly high, so I thought I'd run it past the denizens of
>this newsgroup and see if anyone has any suggestions.
>The room is 9 ft. x 17 ft. x 10 ft. high. There's no drop
>ceiling or raised floor. Two vents from the house A/C
>discharge into the room, and there's a return vent venting
>into the drop ceiling in the hallway. It's not a designed
>machine room per se; it's more of a big closet that we're
>using to hold our racks.
>There are 4 long flourescent bulbs in the room, which I
>suspect don't add much to the heat load.
>We've got two racks of hardware, a couple of small desktops
>and a CRT monitor. One of the racks is about 2/3 full of
>various pieces of network hardware -- PoE switches, switches,
>minihubs, CSU/DSU, and a couple of breadbox PCs that are our
>firewalls.
>The other rack is pretty much full of servers, most of which
>are 1U servers whose power load is 560W and whose specs claim
>a BTU rating of 2750 (which seems a bit high, but that's what
>the specs say).
>When we were relying on just the house A/C vents to cool the
>room, it was always very warm in front of the racks, and
>downright hot in back of them. When the temperature behind
>the racks hit 100 deg. F and the HDD temperature monitor I
>was running on one of the desktops hit 54 deg. C, I decided
>it was time to do something about the problem. I called Spot
>Coolers and described the situation, and they suggested a
>1.5-ton MovinCool unit, which we agreed to. We ran 12-inch
>flexible plastic ducting from the cooler to the return vent.
>The unit managed to get the temperature in the room
>(according to its thermometer) down to around 74 degrees, and
>the temperature behind the racks got down to around 80. Then
>we turned on a few more servers, and now the room temperature
>is hovering around 79 and the behind the racks it's up to
>around 90. I find it hard to believe that the few servers we
>turned on made that big of a difference, so I suspect that
>there are other environmental differences going on, although
>I'm not sure what they could be.
>Since we would ideally like to keep the room around 68
>degrees, clearly the 1.5-ton unit isn't big enough. The
>question is, how much capacity do we need?
>I took an inventory of all the hardware in the room and
>recorded from each item's specifications the BTU if given or
>the wattage * 3.5 (a metric I found in several places on-line)
>otherwise. When I totaled everything, I got 75,103 BTU, or
>6.3 tons. I find it extremely hard to believe that less than
>two full racks of hardware can generate that much heat, but
>perhaps I'm hearkening back in the days when most servers only
>had one CPU :-).
>I guess the question I need sanity-checked by the experts here
>is, can two racks of hardware reasonably generate that much
>heat? If so, and we want to leave open the possibility of
>adding a third rack of hardware to the room, it seems to me
>that we're going to have to get a 10-ton unit. Are there even
>10-ton coolers that'll fit in a small machine room?
>Thanks for any help and advice you can provide.