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Bad A/C reversing valve? dpontrelli 08-31-2007
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Posted by on August 31, 2007, 6:04 pm
We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
the afternoon hours.
I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
Here is what happened:

Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
(they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
fine.

Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
again there was no change.

Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
(unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
$720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
lot of labor to replace it).

I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
see.
I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
guys know what the real problem is.


Posted by on August 31, 2007, 6:21 pm
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:04:45 -0700, dpontrelli@gmail.com wrote:

>We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
>Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
>week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
>the afternoon hours.
>I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
>Here is what happened:
>
>Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
>either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
>(they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
>resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
>catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
>now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
>fine.
>
>Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
>out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
>handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
>cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
>again there was no change.
>
>Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
>2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
>diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
>(unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
>me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
>Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
>$720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
>lot of labor to replace it).
>
>I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
>estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
>something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
>see.
>I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
>should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
>guys know what the real problem is.

        A ) a bad reversing valve CAN NOT cause your symptoms.

        B ) 18 degree split ( as we call it ) SUCKS ASS.

        C ) You are getting FUCKED, AND FUCKED HARD.

        D ) Do not pay them ONE FUCKING DIME ever again, including for
any past work that's unpaid for, and never let them in your house or
yard again.


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Posted by on August 31, 2007, 9:35 pm
Interesting, I was told by the owner of the A/C company that the 18
degree split is excellent for this system, so I'm trying to get specs
because I'd like to call him and tell him he's full of it.
I checked the unit and it's a Bryant 663GJX036 model. I found some
detailed documentation at
http://www.general.hvacpartners.com/wcs/dynamiclit_result/1,2759,CLI1_DIV42_ETI7480_PRD1192,00.html
So was I given crap units? I have 4000sq ft split between this unit
and the bigger 4ton model.
I also have a heat recovery unit attached to this one and I'm told
this can often cause a leak if not properly installed.



On Aug 31, 6:21 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:04:45 -0700, dpontre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
> >Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
> >week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
> >the afternoon hours.
> >I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
> >Here is what happened:
>
> >Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
> >either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
> >(they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
> >resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
> >catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
> >now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
> >fine.
>
> >Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
> >out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
> >handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
> >cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
> >again there was no change.
>
> >Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
> >2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
> >diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
> >(unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
> >me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
> >Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
> >$720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
> >lot of labor to replace it).
>
> >I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
> >estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
> >something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
> >see.
> >I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
> >should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
> >guys know what the real problem is.
>
> A ) a bad reversing valve CAN NOT cause your symptoms.
>
> B ) 18 degree split ( as we call it ) SUCKS ASS.
>
> C ) You are getting FUCKED, AND FUCKED HARD.
>
> D ) Do not pay them ONE FUCKING DIME ever again, including for
> any past work that's unpaid for, and never let them in your house or
> yard again.
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today
!!!http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available onlinehttp://pmilligan.net/palm/



Posted by on September 1, 2007, 12:46 am



> I also have a heat recovery unit attached to this one and I'm told
> this can often cause a leak if not properly installed.


Heat recovery unit to cause a leak on the refrigeration system??????

BULLSHIT!!!!



Posted by on September 1, 2007, 7:35 am
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:35:04 -0700, dpontrelli@gmail.com wrote:

>Interesting, I was told by the owner of the A/C company that the 18
>degree split is excellent for this system, so I'm trying to get specs

        He lied.

>because I'd like to call him and tell him he's full of it.
>I checked the unit and it's a Bryant 663GJX036 model. I found some
>detailed documentation at
>http://www.general.hvacpartners.com/wcs/dynamiclit_result/1,2759,CLI1_DIV42_ETI7480_PRD1192,00.html
>So was I given crap units?

        No, the units are fine, they were put in by hacks.

> I have 4000sq ft split between this unit
>and the bigger 4ton model.
>I also have a heat recovery unit attached to this one and I'm told
>this can often cause a leak if not properly installed.
>
>
>
>On Aug 31, 6:21 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:04:45 -0700, dpontre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
>> >Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
>> >week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
>> >the afternoon hours.
>> >I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
>> >Here is what happened:
>>
>> >Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
>> >either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
>> >(they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
>> >resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
>> >catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
>> >now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
>> >fine.
>>
>> >Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
>> >out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
>> >handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
>> >cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
>> >again there was no change.
>>
>> >Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
>> >2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
>> >diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
>> >(unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
>> >me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
>> >Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
>> >$720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
>> >lot of labor to replace it).
>>
>> >I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
>> >estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
>> >something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
>> >see.
>> >I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
>> >should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
>> >guys know what the real problem is.
>>
>> A ) a bad reversing valve CAN NOT cause your symptoms.
>>
>> B ) 18 degree split ( as we call it ) SUCKS ASS.
>>
>> C ) You are getting FUCKED, AND FUCKED HARD.
>>
>> D ) Do not pay them ONE FUCKING DIME ever again, including for
>> any past work that's unpaid for, and never let them in your house or
>> yard again.
>>
>> --
>> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today
!!!http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>>
>> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
>> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
>> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
>> Free demo now available onlinehttp://pmilligan.net/palm/
>

--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

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