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Bad A/C reversing valve? dpontrelli 08-31-2007
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Posted by on August 31, 2007, 9:35 pm
Interesting, I was told by the owner of the A/C company that the 18
degree split is excellent for this system, so I'm trying to get specs
because I'd like to call him and tell him he's full of it.
I checked the unit and it's a Bryant 663GJX036 model. I found some
detailed documentation at
http://www.general.hvacpartners.com/wcs/dynamiclit_result/1,2759,CLI1_DIV42_ETI7480_PRD1192,00.html
So was I given crap units? I have 4000sq ft split between this unit
and the bigger 4ton model.
I also have a heat recovery unit attached to this one and I'm told
this can often cause a leak if not properly installed.



On Aug 31, 6:21 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:04:45 -0700, dpontre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
> >Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
> >week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
> >the afternoon hours.
> >I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
> >Here is what happened:
>
> >Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
> >either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
> >(they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
> >resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
> >catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
> >now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
> >fine.
>
> >Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
> >out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
> >handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
> >cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
> >again there was no change.
>
> >Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
> >2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
> >diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
> >(unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
> >me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
> >Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
> >$720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
> >lot of labor to replace it).
>
> >I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
> >estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
> >something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
> >see.
> >I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
> >should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
> >guys know what the real problem is.
>
> A ) a bad reversing valve CAN NOT cause your symptoms.
>
> B ) 18 degree split ( as we call it ) SUCKS ASS.
>
> C ) You are getting FUCKED, AND FUCKED HARD.
>
> D ) Do not pay them ONE FUCKING DIME ever again, including for
> any past work that's unpaid for, and never let them in your house or
> yard again.
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today
!!!http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available onlinehttp://pmilligan.net/palm/



Posted by on August 31, 2007, 9:35 pm
Interesting, I was told by the owner of the A/C company that the 18
degree split is excellent for this system, so I'm trying to get specs
because I'd like to call him and tell him he's full of it.
I checked the unit and it's a Bryant 663GJX036 model. I found some
detailed documentation at
http://www.general.hvacpartners.com/wcs/dynamiclit_result/1,2759,CLI1_DIV42_ETI7480_PRD1192,00.html
So was I given crap units? I have 4000sq ft split between this unit
and the bigger 4ton model.
I also have a heat recovery unit attached to this one and I'm told
this can often cause a leak if not properly installed.



On Aug 31, 6:21 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:04:45 -0700, dpontre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
> >Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
> >week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
> >the afternoon hours.
> >I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
> >Here is what happened:
>
> >Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
> >either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
> >(they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
> >resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
> >catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
> >now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
> >fine.
>
> >Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
> >out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
> >handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
> >cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
> >again there was no change.
>
> >Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
> >2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
> >diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
> >(unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
> >me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
> >Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
> >$720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
> >lot of labor to replace it).
>
> >I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
> >estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
> >something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
> >see.
> >I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
> >should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
> >guys know what the real problem is.
>
> A ) a bad reversing valve CAN NOT cause your symptoms.
>
> B ) 18 degree split ( as we call it ) SUCKS ASS.
>
> C ) You are getting FUCKED, AND FUCKED HARD.
>
> D ) Do not pay them ONE FUCKING DIME ever again, including for
> any past work that's unpaid for, and never let them in your house or
> yard again.
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today
!!!http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available onlinehttp://pmilligan.net/palm/



Posted by on August 31, 2007, 9:35 pm
Interesting, I was told by the owner of the A/C company that the 18
degree split is excellent for this system, so I'm trying to get specs
because I'd like to call him and tell him he's full of it.
I checked the unit and it's a Bryant 663GJX036 model. I found some
detailed documentation at
http://www.general.hvacpartners.com/wcs/dynamiclit_result/1,2759,CLI1_DIV42_ETI7480_PRD1192,00.html
So was I given crap units? I have 4000sq ft split between this unit
and the bigger 4ton model.
I also have a heat recovery unit attached to this one and I'm told
this can often cause a leak if not properly installed.



On Aug 31, 6:21 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:04:45 -0700, dpontre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
> >Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
> >week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
> >the afternoon hours.
> >I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
> >Here is what happened:
>
> >Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
> >either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
> >(they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
> >resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
> >catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
> >now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
> >fine.
>
> >Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
> >out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
> >handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
> >cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
> >again there was no change.
>
> >Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
> >2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
> >diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
> >(unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
> >me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
> >Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
> >$720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
> >lot of labor to replace it).
>
> >I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
> >estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
> >something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
> >see.
> >I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
> >should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
> >guys know what the real problem is.
>
> A ) a bad reversing valve CAN NOT cause your symptoms.
>
> B ) 18 degree split ( as we call it ) SUCKS ASS.
>
> C ) You are getting FUCKED, AND FUCKED HARD.
>
> D ) Do not pay them ONE FUCKING DIME ever again, including for
> any past work that's unpaid for, and never let them in your house or
> yard again.
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today
!!!http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available onlinehttp://pmilligan.net/palm/



Posted by Noon-Air on August 31, 2007, 6:35 pm

> We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have 2
> Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
> week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
> the afternoon hours.
> I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
> Here is what happened:
>
> Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
> either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
> (they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
> resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
> catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
> now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now be
> fine.
>
> Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
> out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
> handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
> cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
> again there was no change.
>
> Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out, the
> 2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their own
> diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
> (unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
> me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
> Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
> $720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
> lot of labor to replace it).
>
> I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
> estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
> something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
> see.
> I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions I
> should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident these
> guys know what the real problem is.
>

Gotta love it when a builder uses the lowest bidder gets used to install the
single most expensive appliance in a home.



Posted by Zyp on September 1, 2007, 10:30 pm
Noon-Air wrote:
>> We completed construction on our home in Florida in 7/2006. We have
>> 2 Bryant central air units (one 3 ton unit and one 4 ton unit). Last
>> week I noticed the 3ton unit couldn't keep up with the cooling during
>> the afternoon hours.
>> I called the A/C company that put the units in during construction.
>> Here is what happened:
>>
>> Visit 1: (last week): the tech tells me the system is low on freon
>> either because it was never filled properly or there is a leak
>> (they'll test for the leak if it gets low again and the problem
>> resurfaces). I received a bill for $90 and was told the unit would
>> catch up that night then should be fine. The tech noted that air was
>> now coming out 16 degrees cooler than when going in so I should now
>> be fine.
>>
>> Visit 2: after I called and advised there was no change the boss sent
>> out his "best diagnostician" who "made some adjustments" with the air
>> handler which is up in the attic and noted we now had 18 degrees of
>> cooling and the unit would be fine once it catches up tonight, but
>> again there was no change.
>>
>> Visit 3 (today): the boss decided to send a team to figure it out,
>> the 2 original techs plus one more. They each seemed to have their
>> own diagnosis of the problem based on what my wife had overheard
>> (unfortunately I wasn't around the whole time). They had simply told
>> me the plan was to gather info and have Bryant diagnose the system.
>> Now I'm told the reversing valve needs to be replaced to the sum of
>> $720 even though the unit and part is under warranty (I'm told it's a
>> lot of labor to replace it).
>>
>> I called another company who will come in the morning for a free
>> estimate/2nd opinion. They told me the problem didn't sound like
>> something caused by a bad reversing valve but they'd come out and
>> see.
>> I'm looking for any advice on how to proceed with and what questions
>> I should ask, as I'm looking at a lot of money and not confident
>> these guys know what the real problem is.
>>
>
> Gotta love it when a builder uses the lowest bidder gets used to
> install the single most expensive appliance in a home.

I like that - "the single most expensive appliance in the home!" Can I use
that Noonie?

--
Zyp



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