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Boiler temperature; adjust? - Weil-McLain GOLD GV series 4 2apart 12-17-2006
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Posted by 2apart on December 17, 2006, 9:14 pm
Just had a new (replacement) Weil-McLain Gold GV series 4
boiler installed. This unit heats fluid that is piped
thru a basement floor.

The old unit, that rusted out (15 years old), had a lower
outlet temperature. That unit supplied fluid at about 120F
into the floor. This new unit is up around 140F.

I assume that the oulet temperature, at 140F, is related directly
to the boiler inlet temperature; it's the same circuit. I'm guessing..
I don't have a schematic. My desire to reduce this temperature is
based on
increasing the boiler efficiency.

The user's manual says that the GCM
(the units controller) mixes return water (cooled by the floor)
and by-passed boiler output to maintain 140F temperature into the
boiler sections, "to guard against
condensation even if the return water is as low as 6oF".
Fluid returned from the floor is around 60F.

My questions are these.

Can the boiler inlet temperature be adjusted?

Would it be more efficient to lower the boiler inlet temperature?

Would lowering the temperature to, say, 120 be a good idea?

What is the reason to avoid condensation? Doesn't the condensate
just flow into a drain?


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Posted by on December 17, 2006, 10:14 pm

>Just had a new (replacement) Weil-McLain Gold GV series 4
>boiler installed. This unit heats fluid that is piped
>thru a basement floor.
>
>The old unit, that rusted out (15 years old), had a lower
>outlet temperature. That unit supplied fluid at about 120F
>into the floor. This new unit is up around 140F.
>
>I assume that the oulet temperature, at 140F, is related directly
>to the boiler inlet temperature; it's the same circuit. I'm guessing..
>I don't have a schematic. My desire to reduce this temperature is
>based on
>increasing the boiler efficiency.
>
>The user's manual says that the GCM
>(the units controller) mixes return water (cooled by the floor)
>and by-passed boiler output to maintain 140F temperature into the
>boiler sections, "to guard against
>condensation even if the return water is as low as 6oF".
>Fluid returned from the floor is around 60F.
>
>My questions are these.

        Wrong questions. What you need to be asking is :

        " Mr. Installer / Company rep - why is it set the way it is,
and what are my options, if any ?".





>
>Can the boiler inlet temperature be adjusted?
>
>Would it be more efficient to lower the boiler inlet temperature?
>
>Would lowering the temperature to, say, 120 be a good idea?
>
>What is the reason to avoid condensation? Doesn't the condensate
>just flow into a drain?

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Posted by Steve Scott on December 17, 2006, 11:31 pm
The reason for the 140 return temp is to prevent damage to the boiler.
If that doesn't concern you lower away.

Or rip out the WM and install a mod/con boiler. They're specifically
designed for low return temps. The Buderus GB142 will give you up to
98% when it's condensing.


>Just had a new (replacement) Weil-McLain Gold GV series 4
>boiler installed. This unit heats fluid that is piped
>thru a basement floor.
>
>The old unit, that rusted out (15 years old), had a lower
>outlet temperature. That unit supplied fluid at about 120F
>into the floor. This new unit is up around 140F.
>
>I assume that the oulet temperature, at 140F, is related directly
>to the boiler inlet temperature; it's the same circuit. I'm guessing..
>I don't have a schematic. My desire to reduce this temperature is
>based on
>increasing the boiler efficiency.
>
>The user's manual says that the GCM
>(the units controller) mixes return water (cooled by the floor)
>and by-passed boiler output to maintain 140F temperature into the
>boiler sections, "to guard against
>condensation even if the return water is as low as 6oF".
>Fluid returned from the floor is around 60F.
>
>My questions are these.
>
>Can the boiler inlet temperature be adjusted?
>
>Would it be more efficient to lower the boiler inlet temperature?
>
>Would lowering the temperature to, say, 120 be a good idea?
>
>What is the reason to avoid condensation? Doesn't the condensate
>just flow into a drain?


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Posted by Bubba on December 17, 2006, 11:49 pm
wrote:

>The reason for the 140 return temp is to prevent damage to the boiler.
>If that doesn't concern you lower away.
>
>Or rip out the WM and install a mod/con boiler. They're specifically
>designed for low return temps. The Buderus GB142 will give you up to
>98% when it's condensing.

Nope! Only 98% when it is in a low temp application. In other words,
around 75 to 80 degree outlet water temperature.
"You gotz to read the fine print"
Bubba
>
>
>>Just had a new (replacement) Weil-McLain Gold GV series 4
>>boiler installed. This unit heats fluid that is piped
>>thru a basement floor.
>>
>>The old unit, that rusted out (15 years old), had a lower
>>outlet temperature. That unit supplied fluid at about 120F
>>into the floor. This new unit is up around 140F.
>>
>>I assume that the oulet temperature, at 140F, is related directly
>>to the boiler inlet temperature; it's the same circuit. I'm guessing..
>>I don't have a schematic. My desire to reduce this temperature is
>>based on
>>increasing the boiler efficiency.
>>
>>The user's manual says that the GCM
>>(the units controller) mixes return water (cooled by the floor)
>>and by-passed boiler output to maintain 140F temperature into the
>>boiler sections, "to guard against
>>condensation even if the return water is as low as 6oF".
>>Fluid returned from the floor is around 60F.
>>
>>My questions are these.
>>
>>Can the boiler inlet temperature be adjusted?
>>
>>Would it be more efficient to lower the boiler inlet temperature?
>>
>>Would lowering the temperature to, say, 120 be a good idea?
>>
>>What is the reason to avoid condensation? Doesn't the condensate
>>just flow into a drain?

Posted by Steve Scott on December 18, 2006, 7:39 am
Err, it only condenses in low temp applications, Bubba. FWIW, Buderus
is the only manufacturer I know of that lists the AFUE for high temp
applications as well.

wrote:

>wrote:
>
>>The reason for the 140 return temp is to prevent damage to the boiler.
>>If that doesn't concern you lower away.
>>
>>Or rip out the WM and install a mod/con boiler. They're specifically
>>designed for low return temps. The Buderus GB142 will give you up to
>>98% when it's condensing.
>
>Nope! Only 98% when it is in a low temp application. In other words,
>around 75 to 80 degree outlet water temperature.
>"You gotz to read the fine print"
>Bubba
>>
>>
>>>Just had a new (replacement) Weil-McLain Gold GV series 4
>>>boiler installed. This unit heats fluid that is piped
>>>thru a basement floor.
>>>
>>>The old unit, that rusted out (15 years old), had a lower
>>>outlet temperature. That unit supplied fluid at about 120F
>>>into the floor. This new unit is up around 140F.
>>>
>>>I assume that the oulet temperature, at 140F, is related directly
>>>to the boiler inlet temperature; it's the same circuit. I'm guessing..
>>>I don't have a schematic. My desire to reduce this temperature is
>>>based on
>>>increasing the boiler efficiency.
>>>
>>>The user's manual says that the GCM
>>>(the units controller) mixes return water (cooled by the floor)
>>>and by-passed boiler output to maintain 140F temperature into the
>>>boiler sections, "to guard against
>>>condensation even if the return water is as low as 6oF".
>>>Fluid returned from the floor is around 60F.
>>>
>>>My questions are these.
>>>
>>>Can the boiler inlet temperature be adjusted?
>>>
>>>Would it be more efficient to lower the boiler inlet temperature?
>>>
>>>Would lowering the temperature to, say, 120 be a good idea?
>>>
>>>What is the reason to avoid condensation? Doesn't the condensate
>>>just flow into a drain?


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