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Buying Oil Heater and Central AC Unit Direct bph0103 08-29-2007
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Posted by Noon-Air on August 29, 2007, 10:22 pm

> Hi All,
> My house is currently 35 years old, and it has an oil furnace with
> baseboard hot water heat. I think my current heater is a Columbia
> brand. I just got it serviced and it is running at about 75%
> efficiency.
> The service tech suggested that it might be time to get a new one.
> Also I have a separate central air system from Trane which is also
> about the same age. There is an outdoor unit and something up in the
> attic too. The outdoor unit is rusting quite a bit, but it still works
> fine.
> The last time I had someone come out to service it, they also
> suggested getting a new one soon.
> These are obviously big ticket items. I'd like to replace both with
> quality systems, but want to save however I can. Is there any way I
> can order a good system myself, get it delivered, and then hire
> someone to install to save some cash on this? Any other suggestions on
> getting a good deal for these?
> Any help is appreciated. I am in the Philadelphia area.
> Thanks,
> Brian

The best way to save money on a new comfort system is to get the highest
efficiency, correctly sized, equipment you can afford, with a top quality
installation, by a master contractor/tech.

You can get it done right and save a bunch of money over the years on your
utility bills, with a quite, efficient comfort system, *OR* you can take
your chances and get it done cheap.



Posted by on August 29, 2007, 11:33 pm
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:10:10 -0700, bph0103@gmail.com wrote:

>Is there any way I
>>can order a good system myself, get it delivered, and then hire
>someone to install to save some cash on this? Any other suggestions on
>getting a good deal for these?
> Any help is appreciated. I am in the Philadelphia area.
>Thanks,
>Brian

GO PISS UP A ROPE IN A STRONG WIND YOU CHEAP BASTARD!!!! I hope you
end up with some hack to do it for you, serves your cheap ass right.

Posted by Doc on August 30, 2007, 7:59 am
bph0103@gmail.com wrote in news:1188411010.392837.112910
@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> Hi All,
> My house is currently 35 years old, and it has an oil furnace with
> baseboard hot water heat. I think my current heater is a Columbia
> brand. I just got it serviced and it is running at about 75%
> efficiency.

Snipped

Hi Brian,

I will say this quickly and get out fast before the locals get restless. I
also live in the Philli area and have a similar situation, house built in
77, original oil heat and AC, techs want to replace both as they are "very
inefficient and you can save much money by replacing them." Cost of
replacement for both is around $12,000. As hot as it has been this summer,
average electric bill is $200 and paid a total of $1600 for oil last year.
Year before was a little higher around $1800.

Now if I replace oil furnace and gained 30%, which is impossible as it
would place my efficiency at over 100% (cold fusion anyone?) it would save
me around $540 per year and if I replace my existing AC and gained the
projected $300/ month savings (representing a credit from Atlantic City
Electric of $100/ month...yeah thats thats gonna happen), I would show a
savings of around $1800 per year (assuming that I am running my AC for four
months during the summer).

Based on these wildly optimistic and, thus inaccurate, figures it would
take seven years to show any gain from this installation. This does not
take into account rises in oil or electicity, but also does not account for
maintainence and repair costs for the equipment, (how much is the solid
state control board on a thiry year old furnace? vs. the electronics for
the new, improved stuff?) Before you get your knickers in a twist, the
question is retorical, Ok Bubba? (the thermostate has already been belt
sanded and acidified)

So, what to do? My own approach is to wait until my present installation
dies or becomes terminal and then bite the bullet. As long as the major
stuff, heat exchanger, coils, condensing unit, remain in working shape the
payback period is too long to justify the capital outlay to replace them.

Take the 12K and invest it into something that pays a high rate of return
and then you can pay cash when it finally dies.

Just my take,

Flame on.


Posted by on August 31, 2007, 4:13 pm
Wow, I came here humbly ignorant of anything about hvac and ended up
being called
all kinds of names. Obviously I came to the wrong message board, and
obviously
$12,000 is a drop in the bucket to the hvac bluebloods on here. Sorry
for inconveniencing
you all and sorry for my ignorance. Thanks for your advice Doc and
everyone who kept
the personal insults to a minimum. I guess I know where not to come
for a recommendation
when I decide to get a good heater and ac through a dealer given the
pleasant and non-condescending
demeanor of these folks. I'll just go crawl back under the rock from
which I came now and resume
my miserable existence with my functional 35 year old heating and ac
systems for now.
Thanks anyway.

> bph0...@gmail.com wrote in news:1188411010.392837.112910
> @o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Hi All,
> > My house is currently 35 years old, and it has an oil furnace with
> > baseboard hot water heat. I think my current heater is a Columbia
> > brand. I just got it serviced and it is running at about 75%
> > efficiency.
>
> Snipped
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> I will say this quickly and get out fast before the locals get restless. I
> also live in the Philli area and have a similar situation, house built in
> 77, original oil heat and AC, techs want to replace both as they are "very
> inefficient and you can save much money by replacing them." Cost of
> replacement for both is around $12,000. As hot as it has been this summer,
> average electric bill is $200 and paid a total of $1600 for oil last year.
> Year before was a little higher around $1800.
>
> Now if I replace oil furnace and gained 30%, which is impossible as it
> would place my efficiency at over 100% (cold fusion anyone?) it would save
> me around $540 per year and if I replace my existing AC and gained the
> projected $300/ month savings (representing a credit from Atlantic City
> Electric of $100/ month...yeah thats thats gonna happen), I would show a
> savings of around $1800 per year (assuming that I am running my AC for four
> months during the summer).
>
> Based on these wildly optimistic and, thus inaccurate, figures it would
> take seven years to show any gain from this installation. This does not
> take into account rises in oil or electicity, but also does not account for
> maintainence and repair costs for the equipment, (how much is the solid
> state control board on a thiry year old furnace? vs. the electronics for
> the new, improved stuff?) Before you get your knickers in a twist, the
> question is retorical, Ok Bubba? (the thermostate has already been belt
> sanded and acidified)
>
> So, what to do? My own approach is to wait until my present installation
> dies or becomes terminal and then bite the bullet. As long as the major
> stuff, heat exchanger, coils, condensing unit, remain in working shape the
> payback period is too long to justify the capital outlay to replace them.
>
> Take the 12K and invest it into something that pays a high rate of return
> and then you can pay cash when it finally dies.
>
> Just my take,
>
> Flame on.



Posted by on August 31, 2007, 4:27 pm
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:13:58 -0700, bph0103@gmail.com wrote:

>Wow, I came here humbly ignorant of anything about hvac and ended up
>being called
>all kinds of names. Obviously I came to the wrong message board, and
>obviously
>$12,000 is a drop in the bucket to the hvac bluebloods on here. Sorry
>for inconveniencing
>you all and sorry for my ignorance. Thanks for your advice Doc and
>everyone who kept
>the personal insults to a minimum. I guess I know where not to come
>for a recommendation

        Correct. This is not a home-moaner advice forum.

>when I decide to get a good heater and ac through a dealer given the
>pleasant and non-condescending
>demeanor of these folks. I'll just go crawl back under the rock from
>which I came now and resume
>my miserable existence with my functional 35 year old heating and ac
>systems for now.

        Good.

>Thanks anyway.


>
>> bph0...@gmail.com wrote in news:1188411010.392837.112910
>> @o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> > My house is currently 35 years old, and it has an oil furnace with
>> > baseboard hot water heat. I think my current heater is a Columbia
>> > brand. I just got it serviced and it is running at about 75%
>> > efficiency.
>>
>> Snipped
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> I will say this quickly and get out fast before the locals get restless. I
>> also live in the Philli area and have a similar situation, house built in
>> 77, original oil heat and AC, techs want to replace both as they are "very
>> inefficient and you can save much money by replacing them." Cost of
>> replacement for both is around $12,000. As hot as it has been this summer,
>> average electric bill is $200 and paid a total of $1600 for oil last year.
>> Year before was a little higher around $1800.
>>
>> Now if I replace oil furnace and gained 30%, which is impossible as it
>> would place my efficiency at over 100% (cold fusion anyone?) it would save
>> me around $540 per year and if I replace my existing AC and gained the
>> projected $300/ month savings (representing a credit from Atlantic City
>> Electric of $100/ month...yeah thats thats gonna happen), I would show a
>> savings of around $1800 per year (assuming that I am running my AC for four
>> months during the summer).
>>
>> Based on these wildly optimistic and, thus inaccurate, figures it would
>> take seven years to show any gain from this installation. This does not
>> take into account rises in oil or electicity, but also does not account for
>> maintainence and repair costs for the equipment, (how much is the solid
>> state control board on a thiry year old furnace? vs. the electronics for
>> the new, improved stuff?) Before you get your knickers in a twist, the
>> question is retorical, Ok Bubba? (the thermostate has already been belt
>> sanded and acidified)
>>
>> So, what to do? My own approach is to wait until my present installation
>> dies or becomes terminal and then bite the bullet. As long as the major
>> stuff, heat exchanger, coils, condensing unit, remain in working shape the
>> payback period is too long to justify the capital outlay to replace them.
>>
>> Take the 12K and invest it into something that pays a high rate of return
>> and then you can pay cash when it finally dies.
>>
>> Just my take,
>>
>> Flame on.
>

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