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Carrier 48SS locks out with "internal control fault" when cold outside Casey 01-20-2007
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Posted by Casey on January 20, 2007, 4:53 pm
I have a Carrier 48SS-036100331-- (about 11 years old) and my house is
approx 1750sq ft. The heat works fine when the outside temp. isn't too cold
(ex. greater than 50 degreesF). However, when it is colder outside, the unit
frequently locks out. The exhaust fan continues to run, but the burner isn't
lit. I had to have my heat exchanger replaced last season. I vaguely
remember the technician saying it was likely there wasn't enough airflow, so
the exchanger was getting too hot which decreased it's lifespan. This made
me suspect that the limit switch was tripping. However, the led on the
controller board blinks 8 times when it's locked out, which corresponds to
"internal control fault" according to the schematic. I have opened all my
dampers to maximize airflow. When I flip the breaker off then on again to
the unit, the burner will light up again and will work for awhile and then
lockout again if it is cold outside. Here are pictures:

http://www.commercialinstallations.com/Misc/heat.htm

Any ideas? "Internal control fault" sounds like the controller board, but
why would it work except when it gets cold out? What is the best way to
troubleshoot "internal control fault" error?

Thanks,
Casey



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Posted by on January 20, 2007, 7:34 pm

>I have a Carrier 48SS-036100331-- (about 11 years old) and my house is
>approx 1750sq ft. The heat works fine when the outside temp. isn't too cold
>(ex. greater than 50 degreesF). However, when it is colder outside, the unit
>frequently locks out. The exhaust fan continues to run, but the burner isn't
>lit. I had to have my heat exchanger replaced last season. I vaguely
>remember the technician saying it was likely there wasn't enough airflow, so
>the exchanger was getting too hot which decreased it's lifespan. This made
>me suspect that the limit switch was tripping. However, the led on the
>controller board blinks 8 times when it's locked out, which corresponds to
>"internal control fault" according to the schematic. I have opened all my
>dampers to maximize airflow. When I flip the breaker off then on again to
>the unit, the burner will light up again and will work for awhile and then
>lockout again if it is cold outside. Here are pictures:
>
>http://www.commercialinstallations.com/Misc/heat.htm
>
>Any ideas? "Internal control fault" sounds like the controller board, but
>why would it work except when it gets cold out? What is the best way to
>troubleshoot "internal control fault" error?
>
>Thanks,
>Casey
>


look in the middle of the circuit board, see the two big square white
resistors and the two resistors immediately above them? One looks
like its been over heating....also the mounting holes/slots in the
ignitor assembly.....sand paper the metal around those mounting
locations as well as their corresponding mating surfaces where they
mount. you need a good grounding connection there...

too bad when they replaced your heat exchanger they didnt also replace
the totall rusted out inducer housing. Inside that inducer housing is
a totally rusted inducer blower wheel. the wheel should have been
replaced as well, as they tend to disentegrate

also, check for tightness on all stake on connectors and the edge
connector on the ckt board. those units are notorious for
over-firing. be sure to check and set the pressure at the gas valve.
your service tech should have de-rated the burners if its overfiring

see that round black gizmo with wires coming out of it at the back of
the inducer motor? thats the Hall-Effect sensor, a total piece of
shit. It tells the control board the inducer motor is running and
its ok to open the gas valve and spark the ignitor. It is a piss-poor
design though, as the inducer motor can be spinning a totally rusted
out inducer wheel. So when the gas ignites, you get major flame
roll-out, which usually burns all the wiring up. Did I mention I LOVE
CARRIER??

finally, take a shop vac to the crap in the bottom of the burner
compartment. cleanliness is next to godliness.

ps- error code 8 is carrier's way of saying.....get ready to spend
the big bucks....

Posted by Bubba on January 20, 2007, 8:26 pm
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:34:01 GMT, gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:

>
>>I have a Carrier 48SS-036100331-- (about 11 years old) and my house is
>>approx 1750sq ft. The heat works fine when the outside temp. isn't too cold
>>(ex. greater than 50 degreesF). However, when it is colder outside, the unit
>>frequently locks out. The exhaust fan continues to run, but the burner isn't
>>lit. I had to have my heat exchanger replaced last season. I vaguely
>>remember the technician saying it was likely there wasn't enough airflow, so
>>the exchanger was getting too hot which decreased it's lifespan. This made
>>me suspect that the limit switch was tripping. However, the led on the
>>controller board blinks 8 times when it's locked out, which corresponds to
>>"internal control fault" according to the schematic. I have opened all my
>>dampers to maximize airflow. When I flip the breaker off then on again to
>>the unit, the burner will light up again and will work for awhile and then
>>lockout again if it is cold outside. Here are pictures:
>>
>>http://www.commercialinstallations.com/Misc/heat.htm
>>
>>Any ideas? "Internal control fault" sounds like the controller board, but
>>why would it work except when it gets cold out? What is the best way to
>>troubleshoot "internal control fault" error?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Casey
>>
>
>
>look in the middle of the circuit board, see the two big square white
>resistors and the two resistors immediately above them? One looks
>like its been over heating....also the mounting holes/slots in the
>ignitor assembly.....sand paper the metal around those mounting
>locations as well as their corresponding mating surfaces where they
>mount. you need a good grounding connection there...
>
>too bad when they replaced your heat exchanger they didnt also replace
>the totall rusted out inducer housing. Inside that inducer housing is
>a totally rusted inducer blower wheel. the wheel should have been
>replaced as well, as they tend to disentegrate
>
>also, check for tightness on all stake on connectors and the edge
>connector on the ckt board. those units are notorious for
>over-firing. be sure to check and set the pressure at the gas valve.
>your service tech should have de-rated the burners if its overfiring
>
>see that round black gizmo with wires coming out of it at the back of
>the inducer motor? thats the Hall-Effect sensor, a total piece of
>shit. It tells the control board the inducer motor is running and
>its ok to open the gas valve and spark the ignitor. It is a piss-poor
>design though, as the inducer motor can be spinning a totally rusted
>out inducer wheel. So when the gas ignites, you get major flame
>roll-out, which usually burns all the wiring up. Did I mention I LOVE
>CARRIER??
>
>finally, take a shop vac to the crap in the bottom of the burner
>compartment. cleanliness is next to godliness.
>
>ps- error code 8 is carrier's way of saying.....get ready to spend
>the big bucks....

Shhhhhh. Cmon Fish........dont give away all the secrets.
We just luvvvvvvvv those Carriers. Its the best equipment on the
planet <snicker, snicker> Well, they have to be right? All their
commercials say so. :-)
Who else can go through about 10 revisions of a shitty circuit board
and keep charging the customer for it? Carrier......Thats who. We love
you. Just like money in the bank
Bubba

Posted by Casey on January 22, 2007, 6:46 pm
Thanks for the reply.

Yeah, those two resistors do look like they have been overheated.

I cleaned the ignitor and flame sensor and where they contact the mount
yesterday (with steel wool and wire brush). I thought that might have done
the trick because the heat worked all day yesterday afterwards and this
morning (which was very rare beforehand). However, it was locked out when I
got home today. :(

>
>>I have a Carrier 48SS-036100331-- (about 11 years old) and my house is
>>approx 1750sq ft. The heat works fine when the outside temp. isn't too
>>cold
>>(ex. greater than 50 degreesF). However, when it is colder outside, the
>>unit
>>frequently locks out. The exhaust fan continues to run, but the burner
>>isn't
>>lit. I had to have my heat exchanger replaced last season. I vaguely
>>remember the technician saying it was likely there wasn't enough airflow,
>>so
>>the exchanger was getting too hot which decreased it's lifespan. This made
>>me suspect that the limit switch was tripping. However, the led on the
>>controller board blinks 8 times when it's locked out, which corresponds to
>>"internal control fault" according to the schematic. I have opened all my
>>dampers to maximize airflow. When I flip the breaker off then on again to
>>the unit, the burner will light up again and will work for awhile and then
>>lockout again if it is cold outside. Here are pictures:
>>
>>http://www.commercialinstallations.com/Misc/heat.htm
>>
>>Any ideas? "Internal control fault" sounds like the controller board, but
>>why would it work except when it gets cold out? What is the best way to
>>troubleshoot "internal control fault" error?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Casey
>>
>
>
> look in the middle of the circuit board, see the two big square white
> resistors and the two resistors immediately above them? One looks
> like its been over heating....also the mounting holes/slots in the
> ignitor assembly.....sand paper the metal around those mounting
> locations as well as their corresponding mating surfaces where they
> mount. you need a good grounding connection there...
>
> too bad when they replaced your heat exchanger they didnt also replace
> the totall rusted out inducer housing. Inside that inducer housing is
> a totally rusted inducer blower wheel. the wheel should have been
> replaced as well, as they tend to disentegrate
>
> also, check for tightness on all stake on connectors and the edge
> connector on the ckt board. those units are notorious for
> over-firing. be sure to check and set the pressure at the gas valve.
> your service tech should have de-rated the burners if its overfiring
>
> see that round black gizmo with wires coming out of it at the back of
> the inducer motor? thats the Hall-Effect sensor, a total piece of
> shit. It tells the control board the inducer motor is running and
> its ok to open the gas valve and spark the ignitor. It is a piss-poor
> design though, as the inducer motor can be spinning a totally rusted
> out inducer wheel. So when the gas ignites, you get major flame
> roll-out, which usually burns all the wiring up. Did I mention I LOVE
> CARRIER??
>
> finally, take a shop vac to the crap in the bottom of the burner
> compartment. cleanliness is next to godliness.
>
> ps- error code 8 is carrier's way of saying.....get ready to spend
> the big bucks....



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