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Carrier 58MVP120 - problem re: intermittent failure during extreme temps --- 02-17-2007
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Posted by --- on February 17, 2007, 7:03 am
I have a Carrier 58MVP120 that was installed in 2000. The unit fails to
function when the outside temperature drops into the teens or lower. The
inducer motor will spin up, but no ignition will occur and the unit will
spin back down, followed by a 42 error code. When the temps come up above
the teens the problem does not exist. The unit is located in a crawl space.
I have placed a temperature sensor there and the temps stay above 50
degrees at all times. The unit is under warranty and an authorized Carrier
tech has spent about 6 hours testing the unit (3 hours on two different
occasions). He did observe the problem. The thermostat is not at issue,
apparently when isolated all of the components are fine. The tech has been
as helpful as possible, but is as stumped as I am. I have on a few
occasions placed a portable heater in the crawl space and heated it into the
60's The problem does not occur as frequently when I do this, even when the
temperatures drop into the single digits outside. This would seem to
indicate that somewhere there is a freezing problem, but it is unclear to me
how that could occur when the temps have always been at least in the 50s in
the crawl space. If the pump dealing with the condensate was
malfunctioning, could this be causing the problems? Any thoughts on ways
to tackle the problem would be appreciated.

John

Posted by Oscar_Lives on February 17, 2007, 12:54 pm

>I have a Carrier 58MVP120 that was installed in 2000. The unit fails to
> function when the outside temperature drops into the teens or lower. The
> inducer motor will spin up, but no ignition will occur and the unit will
> spin back down, followed by a 42 error code. When the temps come up above
> the teens the problem does not exist. The unit is located in a crawl
> space.
> I have placed a temperature sensor there and the temps stay above 50
> degrees at all times. The unit is under warranty and an authorized
> Carrier
> tech has spent about 6 hours testing the unit (3 hours on two different
> occasions). He did observe the problem. The thermostat is not at issue,
> apparently when isolated all of the components are fine. The tech has
> been
> as helpful as possible, but is as stumped as I am. I have on a few
> occasions placed a portable heater in the crawl space and heated it into
> the
> 60's The problem does not occur as frequently when I do this, even when
> the
> temperatures drop into the single digits outside. This would seem to
> indicate that somewhere there is a freezing problem, but it is unclear to
> me
> how that could occur when the temps have always been at least in the 50s
> in
> the crawl space. If the pump dealing with the condensate was
> malfunctioning, could this be causing the problems? Any thoughts on ways
> to tackle the problem would be appreciated.
>
> John

Uh... get a tech who knows what he is doing.



Posted by Bubba on February 17, 2007, 1:55 pm

>I have a Carrier 58MVP120 that was installed in 2000. The unit fails to
>function when the outside temperature drops into the teens or lower. The
>inducer motor will spin up, but no ignition will occur and the unit will
>spin back down, followed by a 42 error code. When the temps come up above
>the teens the problem does not exist. The unit is located in a crawl space.
> I have placed a temperature sensor there and the temps stay above 50
>degrees at all times. The unit is under warranty and an authorized Carrier
>tech has spent about 6 hours testing the unit (3 hours on two different
>occasions). He did observe the problem. The thermostat is not at issue,
>apparently when isolated all of the components are fine. The tech has been
>as helpful as possible, but is as stumped as I am. I have on a few
>occasions placed a portable heater in the crawl space and heated it into the
>60's The problem does not occur as frequently when I do this, even when the
>temperatures drop into the single digits outside. This would seem to
>indicate that somewhere there is a freezing problem, but it is unclear to me
>how that could occur when the temps have always been at least in the 50s in
>the crawl space. If the pump dealing with the condensate was
>malfunctioning, could this be causing the problems? Any thoughts on ways
>to tackle the problem would be appreciated.
>
>John

Think slope and pitch and stop thinking temperature.
Then read the installation instructions following the venting of the
pvc piping closely.
Then replace the thermostat. Its almost always the thermostat
Bubba

Posted by DIDO on February 18, 2007, 9:39 am
You have electronic problem I don't know how many
electronic parts you on control card but you will find
that problem is there. some solid state components
do not like cold and will simply shout down or will not
come on when temperature drops below rated limit
and will operate normal as soon as they warms up
Get Carrier to replaced it for you.

>I have a Carrier 58MVP120 that was installed in 2000. The unit fails to
> function when the outside temperature drops into the teens or lower. The
> inducer motor will spin up, but no ignition will occur and the unit will
> spin back down, followed by a 42 error code. When the temps come up above
> the teens the problem does not exist. The unit is located in a crawl
> space.
> I have placed a temperature sensor there and the temps stay above 50
> degrees at all times. The unit is under warranty and an authorized
> Carrier
> tech has spent about 6 hours testing the unit (3 hours on two different
> occasions). He did observe the problem. The thermostat is not at issue,
> apparently when isolated all of the components are fine. The tech has
> been
> as helpful as possible, but is as stumped as I am. I have on a few
> occasions placed a portable heater in the crawl space and heated it into
> the
> 60's The problem does not occur as frequently when I do this, even when
> the
> temperatures drop into the single digits outside. This would seem to
> indicate that somewhere there is a freezing problem, but it is unclear to
> me
> how that could occur when the temps have always been at least in the 50s
> in
> the crawl space. If the pump dealing with the condensate was
> malfunctioning, could this be causing the problems? Any thoughts on ways
> to tackle the problem would be appreciated.
>
> John



Posted by Bob_Loblaw on February 18, 2007, 9:56 am


> You have electronic problem I don't know how many
> electronic parts you on control card but you will find
> that problem is there. some solid state components
> do not like cold and will simply shout down or will not
> come on when temperature drops

This is an INDOOR residential furnace, not a roof-top.
How would the circuit board feel the outdoor temperature?
The colder it gets outside, the more the furnace has to run, but the
ambient temp isn't going to be felt by the indoor board.
It may or not be a board issue, but not because of the reason you stated.



--
Respectfully, Bob

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