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Central A/C question Jerry 08-27-2006
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Posted by Bubba on August 28, 2006, 7:21 am

>I see. This newsgroup is actually an exercise in flaming.

Sounds like somebody forgot their flame-proof underpanties.
Bubba

Posted by udarrell on August 27, 2006, 10:16 pm
Jerry, This is NOT a Flame!
You will need some knowledge in this field before you will know the
qualifying questions to ask potential contractors' & their techs.
However, be careful or you will tick them off! - udarrell

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Jerry wrote:

> My first posting to this group. As a layman, I'd like to get some
> general info from the knowledgeable. Since moving into my newly built
> house 13 years ago, my central A/C cooled well and electric bills were
> never too high. In San Diego we don’t run the A/C more than 4 to 6
> weeks per year.
>
> I've always been in the habit of feeling the larger, cold fitting when
> walking by the back yard unit to check the coldness. Nice and cold
> until a few days ago. It then was only somewhat cool and had a little
> oily substance on the cold fitting. I turned off the A/C right away
> until I can get it checked. From what I gathered lurking here, a tech
> needs to at least evacuate the entire system, ensure there are no
> leaks, and recharge with brand new freon. I have some questions...
>
> 1) Generally, how much should I expect to spend if that’s all that is
> needed? It’s a long run from the back yard compressor to the attic
> furnace system towards the front of the two story house.
>
> 2) How do I find a reputable company with competent technicians?
>
> 3) Any other periodic maintenance that should be done?
>
> 4) From day one, the lines in the outside wall by the back yard unit
> have occasionally produce a pressure-relief-like swishing sound that
> lasts for about 20 seconds. Is that bad?
>
> 5) Are service rates seasonal? Higher rates in the summer?
>
> Thanks to the group. Jerry

Posted by Stormin Mormon on August 28, 2006, 9:06 am
I've always been in the habit of feeling the larger, cold fitting when
walking by the back yard unit to check the coldness.
CY: As you'd noticed, a good running AC has enough cooling power to
cool both the house, and also the cold refrigerant helps cool the
compressor.

Nice and cold until
a few days ago. It then was only somewhat cool and had a little oily
substance on the cold fitting. I turned off the A/C right away until I
can get it checked.
CY: That's a cautious approach.

From what I gathered lurking here, a tech needs to
at least evacuate the entire system, ensure there are no leaks, and
recharge with brand new freon. I have some questions...
CY: From what you write, I'd expect a tech to use a leak detector
while the freon was still in the system. See if he can detect a leak.
After beeping to find a leak, then put the gages on and see what
pressures, superheat, adn so on. And, then, remove the freon and fix
the leak if a leak was found.

1) Generally, how much should I expect to spend if that’s all that is
needed? It’s a long run from the back yard compressor to the attic
furnace system towards the front of the two story house.
CY: Trip charge, plus labor, plus probably five or six pounds of
freon. Wild guess would be $300.

2) How do I find a reputable company with competent technicians?
CY: Ask your neighbors and friends who they use, and if they are happy
wtih the service.

3) Any other periodic maintenance that should be done?
CY: Change the air filter. Have a tech check the freon level in the
spring, and clean the condensor every couple years.

4) From day one, the lines in the outside wall by the back yard unit
have occasionally produce a pressure-relief-like swishing sound that
lasts for about 20 seconds. Is that bad?
CY: If it happens when the outdoor unit shuts off, that's just the
pressures equalizing.

5) Are service rates seasonal? Higher rates in the summer?
CY: Yes, I'd expect so.

Thanks to the group.

Jerry



Posted by Noon-Air on August 28, 2006, 9:58 am

> I've always been in the habit of feeling the larger, cold fitting when
> walking by the back yard unit to check the coldness.
> CY: As you'd noticed, a good running AC has enough cooling power to
> cool both the house, and also the cold refrigerant helps cool the
> compressor.
>
> Nice and cold until
> a few days ago. It then was only somewhat cool and had a little oily
> substance on the cold fitting. I turned off the A/C right away until I
> can get it checked.
> CY: That's a cautious approach.
>
> From what I gathered lurking here, a tech needs to
> at least evacuate the entire system, ensure there are no leaks, and
> recharge with brand new freon. I have some questions...
> CY: From what you write, I'd expect a tech to use a leak detector
> while the freon was still in the system. See if he can detect a leak.
> After beeping to find a leak, then put the gages on and see what
> pressures, superheat, adn so on. And, then, remove the freon and fix
> the leak if a leak was found.

What if the problem isn't caused by a leak??

> 1) Generally, how much should I expect to spend if that's all that is
> needed? It's a long run from the back yard compressor to the attic
> furnace system towards the front of the two story house.
> CY: Trip charge, plus labor, plus probably five or six pounds of
> freon. Wild guess would be $300.

5 or 6 pounds of refrigerant??
What about the actual repairs??
What about a new filter dryer??
What about torch and filler rod??
What about evacuating the system down to 400 microns??

> 2) How do I find a reputable company with competent technicians?
> CY: Ask your neighbors and friends who they use, and if they are happy
> wtih the service.
>
> 3) Any other periodic maintenance that should be done?
> CY: Change the air filter. Have a tech check the freon level in the
> spring, and clean the condensor every couple years.
>
> 4) From day one, the lines in the outside wall by the back yard unit
> have occasionally produce a pressure-relief-like swishing sound that
> lasts for about 20 seconds. Is that bad?
> CY: If it happens when the outdoor unit shuts off, that's just the
> pressures equalizing.

ummmm Chris, ya think it might be a heat pump?? or might be grossly
overcharged?? or both??

> 5) Are service rates seasonal? Higher rates in the summer?
> CY: Yes, I'd expect so.

Nope... rates are the same but they can be adjusted depending on the
customers attitude.

> Thanks to the group.
>
> Jerry
>
>



Posted by Stormin Mormon on August 28, 2006, 11:16 am

> I've always been in the habit of feeling the larger, cold fitting
when
> walking by the back yard unit to check the coldness.
> CY: As you'd noticed, a good running AC has enough cooling power to
> cool both the house, and also the cold refrigerant helps cool the
> compressor.
>
> Nice and cold until
> a few days ago. It then was only somewhat cool and had a little oily
> substance on the cold fitting. I turned off the A/C right away until
I
> can get it checked.
> CY: That's a cautious approach.
>
> From what I gathered lurking here, a tech needs to
> at least evacuate the entire system, ensure there are no leaks, and
> recharge with brand new freon. I have some questions...
> CY: From what you write, I'd expect a tech to use a leak detector
> while the freon was still in the system. See if he can detect a
leak.
> After beeping to find a leak, then put the gages on and see what
> pressures, superheat, adn so on. And, then, remove the freon and
fix
> the leak if a leak was found.

What if the problem isn't caused by a leak??
CY: you ask a freon based question, you get a freon based answer.

> 1) Generally, how much should I expect to spend if that's all that
is
> needed? It's a long run from the back yard compressor to the attic
> furnace system towards the front of the two story house.
> CY: Trip charge, plus labor, plus probably five or six pounds of
> freon. Wild guess would be $300.

5 or 6 pounds of refrigerant??
CY: As this is usenet, it's not possible to know precisely how much.

What about the actual repairs??
What about a new filter dryer??
What about torch and filler rod??
What about evacuating the system down to 400 microns??
CY: All those are included in "plus labor".


> 2) How do I find a reputable company with competent technicians?
> CY: Ask your neighbors and friends who they use, and if they are
happy
> wtih the service.
>
> 3) Any other periodic maintenance that should be done?
> CY: Change the air filter. Have a tech check the freon level in the
> spring, and clean the condensor every couple years.
>
> 4) From day one, the lines in the outside wall by the back yard unit
> have occasionally produce a pressure-relief-like swishing sound that
> lasts for about 20 seconds. Is that bad?
> CY: If it happens when the outdoor unit shuts off, that's just the
> pressures equalizing.

ummmm Chris, ya think it might be a heat pump?? or might be grossly
overcharged?? or both??
CY: Very possible. From his "I shut it right down" it didn't sound
like he'd had soemone else working on it. So, grossly overcharged is
unlikely.

> 5) Are service rates seasonal? Higher rates in the summer?
> CY: Yes, I'd expect so.

Nope... rates are the same but they can be adjusted depending on the
customers attitude.

> Thanks to the group.
>
> Jerry
>
>




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