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Central A/C question Jerry 08-27-2006
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Posted by tech on August 28, 2006, 11:27 am

>
> > I've always been in the habit of feeling the larger, cold fitting
> when
> > walking by the back yard unit to check the coldness.
> > CY: As you'd noticed, a good running AC has enough cooling power to
> > cool both the house, and also the cold refrigerant helps cool the
> > compressor.
> >
> > Nice and cold until
> > a few days ago. It then was only somewhat cool and had a little oily
> > substance on the cold fitting. I turned off the A/C right away until
> I
> > can get it checked.
> > CY: That's a cautious approach.
> >
> > From what I gathered lurking here, a tech needs to
> > at least evacuate the entire system, ensure there are no leaks, and
> > recharge with brand new freon. I have some questions...
> > CY: From what you write, I'd expect a tech to use a leak detector
> > while the freon was still in the system. See if he can detect a
> leak.
> > After beeping to find a leak, then put the gages on and see what
> > pressures, superheat, adn so on. And, then, remove the freon and
> fix
> > the leak if a leak was found.
>
> What if the problem isn't caused by a leak??
> CY: you ask a freon based question, you get a freon based answer.
>
> > 1) Generally, how much should I expect to spend if that's all that
> is
> > needed? It's a long run from the back yard compressor to the attic
> > furnace system towards the front of the two story house.
> > CY: Trip charge, plus labor, plus probably five or six pounds of
> > freon. Wild guess would be $300.
>
> 5 or 6 pounds of refrigerant??
> CY: As this is usenet, it's not possible to know precisely how much.
>
> What about the actual repairs??
> What about a new filter dryer??
> What about torch and filler rod??
> What about evacuating the system down to 400 microns??
> CY: All those are included in "plus labor".


Since when does "material" fall under "labor"?
One is taxable, the other isn't.

Do we throw N2 in "plus labor" as well?

CY = Clueless Yapper



Posted by Noon-Air on August 28, 2006, 12:25 pm

>
>>
>> > I've always been in the habit of feeling the larger, cold fitting
>> when
>> > walking by the back yard unit to check the coldness.
>> > CY: As you'd noticed, a good running AC has enough cooling power to
>> > cool both the house, and also the cold refrigerant helps cool the
>> > compressor.
>> >
>> > Nice and cold until
>> > a few days ago. It then was only somewhat cool and had a little oily
>> > substance on the cold fitting. I turned off the A/C right away until
>> I
>> > can get it checked.
>> > CY: That's a cautious approach.
>> >
>> > From what I gathered lurking here, a tech needs to
>> > at least evacuate the entire system, ensure there are no leaks, and
>> > recharge with brand new freon. I have some questions...
>> > CY: From what you write, I'd expect a tech to use a leak detector
>> > while the freon was still in the system. See if he can detect a
>> leak.
>> > After beeping to find a leak, then put the gages on and see what
>> > pressures, superheat, adn so on. And, then, remove the freon and
>> fix
>> > the leak if a leak was found.
>>
>> What if the problem isn't caused by a leak??
>> CY: you ask a freon based question, you get a freon based answer.
>>
>> > 1) Generally, how much should I expect to spend if that's all that
>> is
>> > needed? It's a long run from the back yard compressor to the attic
>> > furnace system towards the front of the two story house.
>> > CY: Trip charge, plus labor, plus probably five or six pounds of
>> > freon. Wild guess would be $300.
>>
>> 5 or 6 pounds of refrigerant??
>> CY: As this is usenet, it's not possible to know precisely how much.
>>
>> What about the actual repairs??
>> What about a new filter dryer??
>> What about torch and filler rod??
>> What about evacuating the system down to 400 microns??
>> CY: All those are included in "plus labor".

All are included as seperate line items, and each has its own fees.
But then you don't have a clue about the business of doing business. You
just want to give it all away for free.
I can't help it if you don't charge enough and leave WAYYYYYY too much money
on the table.

>
> Since when does "material" fall under "labor"?
> One is taxable, the other isn't.

Actually here in Mississippi its *all* taxable

> Do we throw N2 in "plus labor" as well?
>
> CY = Clueless Yapper
>
>



Posted by Don on August 29, 2006, 11:13 am
First, you're wasting your time by expecting any reasonable response from
this newsgroup. You probably already know this but were hoping that one of
the more reasonable posters would weigh in. Paul the cat hag must be on
vacation or he would have told you to post elsewhere or try to sell you a CD
of his pedestrian keyboard playing or simplistic PDA programming.

I don't know where you live but Angie's List can be a good resource of
reviews for local providers (HVAC and other trades). My guess is that folks
like Bubba (assuming that he even finds any HVAC work to do) would probably
rate out a solid 'D' or so. Angie's List can be flawed but it does weeds
out some of the idiots (Bubba).

Good luck. This newsgroup doesn't exist to really help anyone. You should
know better but good luck.

Posted by Joseph on August 29, 2006, 7:19 pm

> First, you're wasting your time by expecting any reasonable response from
> this newsgroup. You probably already know this but were hoping that one of
> the more reasonable posters would weigh in. Paul the cat hag must be on
> vacation or he would have told you to post elsewhere or try to sell you a CD
> of his pedestrian keyboard playing or simplistic PDA programming.


Your clueless


> I don't know where you live but Angie's List can be a good resource of
> reviews for local providers (HVAC and other trades). My guess is that folks
> like Bubba (assuming that he even finds any HVAC work to do) would probably
> rate out a solid 'D' or so. Angie's List can be flawed but it does weeds
> out some of the idiots (Bubba).


How does this diferentiate you from any of the other flamers? DOH!


> Good luck. This newsgroup doesn't exist to really help anyone. You should
> know better but good luck.


This is not a Homeowner helpline... Try alt.home.repair






Posted by Bubba on August 29, 2006, 7:44 pm

>First, you're wasting your time by expecting any reasonable response from
>this newsgroup. You probably already know this but were hoping that one of
>the more reasonable posters would weigh in. Paul the cat hag must be on
>vacation or he would have told you to post elsewhere or try to sell you a CD
>of his pedestrian keyboard playing or simplistic PDA programming.
>
>I don't know where you live but Angie's List can be a good resource of
>reviews for local providers (HVAC and other trades). My guess is that folks
>like Bubba (assuming that he even finds any HVAC work to do) would probably
>rate out a solid 'D' or so. Angie's List can be flawed but it does weeds
>out some of the idiots (Bubba).
>
>Good luck. This newsgroup doesn't exist to really help anyone. You should
>know better but good luck.

Oh Goodie, Goodie. I have another fruit cake fan. Must be another
dumber than dirt inbreed hillbilly that could muster up enough brain
power to figure out that he had a dirty filter. So he grabbed the
yellow pages and call the hvac guy with the biggest ad. The tech
fixed it and he charged him over $100. Must suck to be as stupid as
you.
Bubba

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