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Central Air Problems (electric consumption, water leak)? Dejola 02-15-2007
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Posted by James T. White on February 15, 2007, 11:49 am
>
> Electric consumption. My daughter's electric bill has for some unknown
> time (possibly dating back to when the AC system was installed) been
> about twice that of her neighbors who have similar homes. This
> recently prompted her to do a breaker test which revealed that the
> breaker dedicated to the AC, when turned off, significantly slowed the
> rotation of the electric meter disk EVEN THOUGH THE AC SYSTEM WAS NOT
> TURNED ON. This seems to indicate that even when the AC system is
> turned off it is drawing significant electricity!
>

Some condensing units have compressor crankcase heaters in them that
come on when the unit is off and the outside ambient temperature drops
low enough. If your daughter's unit is equipped with one of those, you
might have checked when the temperature was low and it was heating as it
should or if the outside ambient temperature wasn't low then something
could have failed and the crankcase heater is on all the time and
shouldn't be.

In any case, you will want to have the unit checked by a competent
service technician to figure out if it is drawing current when it
shouldn't be and to deal with that condensate leak.

HTH

--
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Posted by on February 15, 2007, 12:00 pm
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:49:51 -0600, "James T. White"

>>
>> Electric consumption. My daughter's electric bill has for some unknown
>> time (possibly dating back to when the AC system was installed) been
>> about twice that of her neighbors who have similar homes. This
>> recently prompted her to do a breaker test which revealed that the
>> breaker dedicated to the AC, when turned off, significantly slowed the
>> rotation of the electric meter disk EVEN THOUGH THE AC SYSTEM WAS NOT
>> TURNED ON. This seems to indicate that even when the AC system is
>> turned off it is drawing significant electricity!
>>
>
>Some condensing units have compressor crankcase heaters in them that
>come on when the unit is off and the outside ambient temperature drops
>low enough. If your daughter's unit is equipped with one of those, you
>might have checked when the temperature was low and it was heating as it
>should or if the outside ambient temperature wasn't low then something
>could have failed and the crankcase heater is on all the time and
>shouldn't be.

        Ummm..... bullshit. They don't draw enough power to be
noticeable in terms of the meter spinning.


>
>In any case, you will want to have the unit checked by a competent
>service technician to figure out if it is drawing current when it
>shouldn't be and to deal with that condensate leak.

        Yep.


>
>HTH

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Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski on February 15, 2007, 12:42 pm

>
> Some condensing units have compressor crankcase heaters in them that
> come on when the unit is off and the outside ambient temperature drops
> low enough. If your daughter's unit is equipped with one of those, you
> might have checked when the temperature was low and it was heating as it
> should or if the outside ambient temperature wasn't low then something
> could have failed and the crankcase heater is on all the time andy
> shouldn't be.
>

I've never seen one that's wired to activate upon sensing of ODT, ( have
you )?

Besides--at ~27 watts or so for a big one then the meter certainly ain't
gonna be no fucking whirling dervish.

--








Posted by Stormin Mormon on February 15, 2007, 12:20 pm
Your AC system needs annual maintenance, like your car needs oil
changes, tune up, etc.

If the energy use was high from the beginning, why didn't she
call the guy back? Mighta been any of a bunch of causes.

By the AC breaker, I'd guess you mean the double breaker for the
outdoor unit? Yeah, they typically have a crankcase heater for
the compressors. It's OK to leave those off during the winter.
Just be sure to turn the breaker on a day or two before you
actually use AC.

As to the water leak, why didn't the plumber just fix it? Usually
white PVC. And the heating guy shoulda just fixed it, too. Sorry
about the mold and stuff.

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You have to starve them.
.

: My daughter had a central air-conditioning installed about six
years
: ago. It has performed fine until now. Two problems have
surfaced which
: have caused concern. One involves how much electricity the
system is
: consuming - even when it is not in operation, and the other
involves a
: leak of water that has permeated the bathroom wall in her
master
: bathroom on the second floor of her two story home. These two
problems
: may or may not be related.
:
: Electric consumption. My daughter's electric bill has for some
unknown
: time (possibly dating back to when the AC system was installed)
been
: about twice that of her neighbors who have similar homes. This
: recently prompted her to do a breaker test which revealed that
the
: breaker dedicated to the AC, when turned off, significantly
slowed the
: rotation of the electric meter disk EVEN THOUGH THE AC SYSTEM
WAS NOT
: TURNED ON. This seems to indicate that even when the AC system
is
: turned off it is drawing significant electricity!
:
: Water leak. It has been discovered that a device in the attic
that I
: will call a condensation device has a defect in the way it is
attached
: to some sort of piping or ductwork such that water has leaked
down
: inside her master bathroom wall and over time created a
widespread
: mold problem.
:
: My daughter called a plumber thinking it was a plumbing
problem. The
: plumber said that the leak was related to her AC system so she
called
: the AC vendor/installer. His response was disappointing. He
asked why
: the plumber just didn't fix the leak. Finally he did send a
serviceman
: who found a problem with how the condensation device wa
attached to
: the pipe/ductwork. He applied silicon as a temporary measure
but said
: that a more permanent correction was needed. I'm not sure if he
said
: there was a defective installation insofar as the condensation
device
: is concerned. My daughter seems to be faced with having to rip
out the
: sheetrock to correct the mold situation. She has no idea what
the
: warranty is on the AC system and is not confident that the
vendor/
: installer will correct the problem without cost to her.
:
: Can anyone here address either problem and help us figure out
what is
: going on?
:
: Should she call in some sort of independent professional to
evaluate
: the situation? What type of professional should she seek?
:
: Sorry if my description os the problem is a bit weak. I hope
that
: those of you who are HVAC professionals will be able to figure
out
: from this meager description just what the problem(s) may be.
:
: Thanks.
:



Posted by Ed on February 15, 2007, 12:39 pm
> My daughter had a central air-conditioning installed about six years
> ago. It has performed fine until now. Two problems have surfaced which
> have caused concern. One involves how much electricity the system is
> consuming - even when it is not in operation, and the other involves a
> leak of water that has permeated the bathroom wall in her master
> bathroom on the second floor of her two story home. These two problems
> may or may not be related.
>
> Electric consumption. My daughter's electric bill has for some unknown
> time (possibly dating back to when the AC system was installed) been
> about twice that of her neighbors who have similar homes. This
> recently prompted her to do a breaker test which revealed that the
> breaker dedicated to the AC, when turned off, significantly slowed the
> rotation of the electric meter disk EVEN THOUGH THE AC SYSTEM WAS NOT
> TURNED ON. This seems to indicate that even when the AC system is
> turned off it is drawing significant electricity!
>
> Water leak. It has been discovered that a device in the attic that I
> will call a condensation device has a defect in the way it is attached
> to some sort of piping or ductwork such that water has leaked down
> inside her master bathroom wall and over time created a widespread
> mold problem.
>
> My daughter called a plumber thinking it was a plumbing problem. The
> plumber said that the leak was related to her AC system so she called
> the AC vendor/installer. His response was disappointing. He asked why
> the plumber just didn't fix the leak. Finally he did send a serviceman
> who found a problem with how the condensation device wa attached to
> the pipe/ductwork. He applied silicon as a temporary measure but said
> that a more permanent correction was needed. I'm not sure if he said
> there was a defective installation insofar as the condensation device
> is concerned. My daughter seems to be faced with having to rip out the
> sheetrock to correct the mold situation. She has no idea what the
> warranty is on the AC system and is not confident that the vendor/
> installer will correct the problem without cost to her.
>
> Can anyone here address either problem and help us figure out what is
> going on?
>
> Should she call in some sort of independent professional to evaluate
> the situation? What type of professional should she seek?
>
> Sorry if my description os the problem is a bit weak. I hope that
> those of you who are HVAC professionals will be able to figure out
> from this meager description just what the problem(s) may be.
>
> Thanks.

Okay, you want a guess ? My guess is the electric heat strips in the
air handler are energized even when the unit is off. You give no model
numbers, or anything else even remotely close to an accurate
description of the equipment. Nobody here can diagnose anything
without a lot more information. We can't see it from here ! Call
someone locally to diagnose and correct the problem.

Ed


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