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Posted by on August 30, 2008, 8:33 am
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:44:40 -0700 (PDT), Groaner
>On Aug 26, 8:42 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
>> You are not likely to get much sympathy from the regular posters, here.
>> Except perhaps one or two. That said, the mobile home units I've serviced,
>> most of them are a complete unit out side with large flex ducts to and from
>> the trailer. I've never heard of replacing just the condensor one of those.
>> There is some leak plugger stuff made, and sold in some HVAC companies.
>> Sounds like you're a candidate to try the leak stuff.
>> --
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
>> I'll ask the question before going out to check model #, etc. since,
>> depending on the answer, all that may be academic. I have a Heil 3.5
>> ton unit - probably 20 years old (mobile home). Just replaced the
>> compressor a few weeks ago. Now they say I have six leaks in the
>> condenser coil. They are saying if they can't find a replacement coil,
>> I will need a new unit. I am unable to afford one... low fixed income,
>> retired. Are there generic condenser coils? Do I need that, specific
>> manufacturer's part?
>> John
>Thanks for the replies. At this point, it is holding coolant for about
>3 weeks before it all leaks out and it freezes up. He said the leaks
>are in the small coils and they would just melt if he tried to fix
>them. I was really hoping there was a generic condenser that could
>replace it. $2800 for a new unit might as well be a million for me. I
>live in Florida - I guess we're having fun now (haha).
>John
Buy a 10K window unit for $ 250 - it'll get you some relief
from the heat, and that's only $ 100,000 in Florida dollars :-)
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Posted by Zyp on August 31, 2008, 2:41 pm
Groaner wrote:
> On Aug 26, 8:42 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
>> You are not likely to get much sympathy from the regular posters,
>> here. Except perhaps one or two. That said, the mobile home units
>> I've serviced, most of them are a complete unit out side with large
>> flex ducts to and from the trailer. I've never heard of replacing
>> just the condensor one of those. There is some leak plugger stuff
>> made, and sold in some HVAC companies. Sounds like you're a
>> candidate to try the leak stuff.
>> --
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
>> I'll ask the question before going out to check model #, etc. since,
>> depending on the answer, all that may be academic. I have a Heil 3.5
>> ton unit - probably 20 years old (mobile home). Just replaced the
>> compressor a few weeks ago. Now they say I have six leaks in the
>> condenser coil. They are saying if they can't find a replacement
>> coil,
>> I will need a new unit. I am unable to afford one... low fixed
>> income, retired. Are there generic condenser coils? Do I need that,
>> specific manufacturer's part?
>> John
> Thanks for the replies. At this point, it is holding coolant for about
> 3 weeks before it all leaks out and it freezes up. He said the leaks
> are in the small coils and they would just melt if he tried to fix
> them. I was really hoping there was a generic condenser that could
> replace it. $2800 for a new unit might as well be a million for me. I
> live in Florida - I guess we're having fun now (haha).
> John
Quite frankly my dear.... oh, I'm sorry, I got carried away..
- A competent, trained service tech should be able to find, repair and
guarantee serviceable leaks on the condenser coil. Can't think of any leaks
on a Heil that can't be repaired [even in the tube sheet.] Find a quality
service tech who knows WTF they're doing. He will find [in a reasonable
amount of time] seal, dehydrate and recharge your unit. [And it's likely he
will use the refrigerant he pulled out [recovered] and top it off with
virgin gas.]. Good luck.
--
Zyp
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Posted by KJPRO on September 1, 2008, 1:20 am
> Groaner wrote:
>> On Aug 26, 8:42 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
>>> You are not likely to get much sympathy from the regular posters,
>>> here. Except perhaps one or two. That said, the mobile home units
>>> I've serviced, most of them are a complete unit out side with large
>>> flex ducts to and from the trailer. I've never heard of replacing
>>> just the condensor one of those. There is some leak plugger stuff
>>> made, and sold in some HVAC companies. Sounds like you're a
>>> candidate to try the leak stuff.
>>> --
>>> Christopher A. Young
>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>> www.lds.org
>>> .
>>> I'll ask the question before going out to check model #, etc. since,
>>> depending on the answer, all that may be academic. I have a Heil 3.5
>>> ton unit - probably 20 years old (mobile home). Just replaced the
>>> compressor a few weeks ago. Now they say I have six leaks in the
>>> condenser coil. They are saying if they can't find a replacement
>>> coil,
>>> I will need a new unit. I am unable to afford one... low fixed
>>> income, retired. Are there generic condenser coils? Do I need that,
>>> specific manufacturer's part?
>>> John
>> Thanks for the replies. At this point, it is holding coolant for about
>> 3 weeks before it all leaks out and it freezes up. He said the leaks
>> are in the small coils and they would just melt if he tried to fix
>> them. I was really hoping there was a generic condenser that could
>> replace it. $2800 for a new unit might as well be a million for me. I
>> live in Florida - I guess we're having fun now (haha).
>> John
> Quite frankly my dear.... oh, I'm sorry, I got carried away..
> - A competent, trained service tech should be able to find, repair and
> guarantee serviceable leaks on the condenser coil. Can't think of any
> leaks on a Heil that can't be repaired [even in the tube sheet.] Find a
> quality service tech who knows WTF they're doing. He will find [in a
> reasonable amount of time] seal, dehydrate and recharge your unit. [And
> it's likely he will use the refrigerant he pulled out [recovered] and top
> it off with virgin gas.]. Good luck.
Sorry, but you won't find me repairing a leak on a evap or condenser in the
tube sheets! That is just asking for someone to pay big bucks for a repair
and then PRY it doesn't spring another leak somewhere else... if it's
leaking one place... it's likely to find it's way out somewhere else.
Another thing you won't find me doing is using the existing refrigerant on a
leaking system. It gets a proper evacuation and fresh virgin refrigerant.
I'm not banking me rep on refrigerant that may or may not be pure.
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Posted by Freud on September 1, 2008, 7:03 pm
> > Groaner wrote:
> >> On Aug 26, 8:42 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> >>> You are not likely to get much sympathy from the regular posters,
> >>> here. Except perhaps one or two. That said, the mobile home units
> >>> I've serviced, most of them are a complete unit out side with large
> >>> flex ducts to and from the trailer. I've never heard of replacing
> >>> just the condensor one of those. There is some leak plugger stuff
> >>> made, and sold in some HVAC companies. Sounds like you're a
> >>> candidate to try the leak stuff.
> >>> --
> >>> Christopher A. Young
> >>> Learn more about Jesus
> >>>www.lds.org
> >>> .
...
> >>> I'll ask the question before going out to check model #, etc. since,
> >>> depending on the answer, all that may be academic. I have a Heil 3.5
> >>> ton unit - probably 20 years old (mobile home). Just replaced the
> >>> compressor a few weeks ago. Now they say I have six leaks in the
> >>> condenser coil. They are saying if they can't find a replacement
> >>> coil,
> >>> I will need a new unit. I am unable to afford one... low fixed
> >>> income, retired. Are there generic condenser coils? Do I need that,
> >>> specific manufacturer's part?
> >>> John
> >> Thanks for the replies. At this point, it is holding coolant for about
> >> 3 weeks before it all leaks out and it freezes up. He said the leaks
> >> are in the small coils and they would just melt if he tried to fix
> >> them. I was really hoping there was a generic condenser that could
> >> replace it. $2800 for a new unit might as well be a million for me. I
> >> live in Florida - I guess we're having fun now (haha).
> >> John
> > Quite frankly my dear.... oh, I'm sorry, I got carried away..
> > - A competent, trained service tech should be able to find, repair and
> > guarantee serviceable leaks on the condenser coil. =A0Can't think of an=
y
> > leaks on a Heil that can't be repaired [even in the tube sheet.] =A0Fin=
d a
> > quality service tech who knows WTF they're doing. =A0He will find [in a
> > reasonable amount of time] seal, dehydrate and recharge your unit. =A0[=
And
> > it's likely he will use the refrigerant he pulled out [recovered] and t=
op
> > it off with virgin gas.]. =A0Good luck.
> Sorry, but you won't find me repairing a leak on a evap or condenser in t=
he
> tube sheets! That is just asking for someone to pay big bucks for a repai=
r
> and then PRY it doesn't spring another leak somewhere else... if it's
> leaking one place... it's likely to find it's way out somewhere else.
> Another thing you won't find me doing is using the existing refrigerant o=
n a
> leaking system. It gets a proper evacuation and fresh virgin refrigerant.
> I'm not banking me rep on refrigerant that may or may not be pure.- Hide =
quoted text -
When a hvac is evacuated and fresh virgin refrigerant is used for
refilling, I do not see any trained service tech adding oil to the
system. Fresh refrigerant dos not come with oil to keep the system
lubricated. In past year, I lost my compressor because the heat pump
lost its oil two times due to the tube breakage in the condenser unit
two times. I am very displeased with HVAC trained techs.
I came to the conclusion that the automobile air conditioning
technicians pay more attention to the oil in the auto air
conditioning systems than any trained and certified HVAC
technicians.
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Posted by Noon-Air on September 1, 2008, 7:45 pm
> > Groaner wrote:
> >> On Aug 26, 8:42 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> >>> You are not likely to get much sympathy from the regular posters,
> >>> here. Except perhaps one or two. That said, the mobile home units
> >>> I've serviced, most of them are a complete unit out side with large
> >>> flex ducts to and from the trailer. I've never heard of replacing
> >>> just the condensor one of those. There is some leak plugger stuff
> >>> made, and sold in some HVAC companies. Sounds like you're a
> >>> candidate to try the leak stuff.
> >>> --
> >>> Christopher A. Young
> >>> Learn more about Jesus
> >>>www.lds.org
> >>> .
> >>> I'll ask the question before going out to check model #, etc. since,
> >>> depending on the answer, all that may be academic. I have a Heil 3.5
> >>> ton unit - probably 20 years old (mobile home). Just replaced the
> >>> compressor a few weeks ago. Now they say I have six leaks in the
> >>> condenser coil. They are saying if they can't find a replacement
> >>> coil,
> >>> I will need a new unit. I am unable to afford one... low fixed
> >>> income, retired. Are there generic condenser coils? Do I need that,
> >>> specific manufacturer's part?
> >>> John
> >> Thanks for the replies. At this point, it is holding coolant for about
> >> 3 weeks before it all leaks out and it freezes up. He said the leaks
> >> are in the small coils and they would just melt if he tried to fix
> >> them. I was really hoping there was a generic condenser that could
> >> replace it. $2800 for a new unit might as well be a million for me. I
> >> live in Florida - I guess we're having fun now (haha).
> >> John
> > Quite frankly my dear.... oh, I'm sorry, I got carried away..
> > - A competent, trained service tech should be able to find, repair and
> > guarantee serviceable leaks on the condenser coil. Can't think of any
> > leaks on a Heil that can't be repaired [even in the tube sheet.] Find a
> > quality service tech who knows WTF they're doing. He will find [in a
> > reasonable amount of time] seal, dehydrate and recharge your unit. [And
> > it's likely he will use the refrigerant he pulled out [recovered] and
> > top
> > it off with virgin gas.]. Good luck.
> Sorry, but you won't find me repairing a leak on a evap or condenser in
> the
> tube sheets! That is just asking for someone to pay big bucks for a repair
> and then PRY it doesn't spring another leak somewhere else... if it's
> leaking one place... it's likely to find it's way out somewhere else.
> Another thing you won't find me doing is using the existing refrigerant on
> a
> leaking system. It gets a proper evacuation and fresh virgin refrigerant.
> I'm not banking me rep on refrigerant that may or may not be pure.- Hide
> quoted text -
When a hvac is evacuated and fresh virgin refrigerant is used for
refilling, I do not see any trained service tech adding oil to the
system. Fresh refrigerant dos not come with oil to keep the system
lubricated. In past year, I lost my compressor because the heat pump
lost its oil two times due to the tube breakage in the condenser unit
two times. I am very displeased with HVAC trained techs.
I came to the conclusion that the automobile air conditioning
technicians pay more attention to the oil in the auto air
conditioning systems than any trained and certified HVAC
technicians.
Ya think that maybe its because you *measure* what goes into the automotive
compressors because they are shipped without oil in them?? Resi compressors
come pre-charged with the correct oil for the application, and the loss of
an ounce or 2 is not gonna hurt a resi system...especially seeing that most
resi compressors can usually be used with a lineset of up to 100ft without
having to add any additional oil, and the *average lineset length is only
around 35 - 40ft.
I would think that unless there was *physical damage* to the condenser to
cause the coil breakage, that the coils and compressor should have been
repaired or replaced under *FULL* warranty.
Now... before you get your panties wadded up anymore, you might want to do a
little research on residential heat pump and air conditioning systems,
because they are *NOT* the same as automotive. There is a reaso for 608 and
609 certs being different.
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