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Posted by Noon-Air on September 2, 2008, 5:27 pm
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> Then quit telling us that we overcharge
Nobody said you had to agree but think about it, you're claiming you
need this money and yet here you are at the tail end of summer posting
on the internet instead of doing jobs. If you can't get the work then
advertise more. If there's just not enough work then welcome to the
real world where not everyone has the job they wanted, or has more
than one job.
This is not a difficult concept, what part about it are you getting
stuck on? It's not something I need to know, it's something you need
to think about. You (or a fellow HVAC Tech) lost a job because I felt
I was overcharged. You (or a fellow HVAC tech) could've made $100
instead of surfing the internet. Don't tell me you have expenses
because you (or a fellow HVAC tech) could've been doing a job for
someone like me instead. That's $100 more than you'd have surfin'
usenet so give it a rest, you're not fooling anyone.
Well now that I've managed to offend 4/5ths of the people here and
there's really nothing more to say about the resolution to the HVAC
problem, I'll make some people glad and go.
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Sorry to bust your bubble, but there is not a whole lot that I can *DO*
until Gustav has cleared out....still getting hit with feeder bands and have
a bunch of calls stacked up for tomorrow once Gustav has moved on... until
then, I have a housefull of college kids to ride herd on so they don't wreck
the place.
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Posted by emailaddress on September 3, 2008, 3:00 am
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> emailaddr...@insightbb.com wrote:
> >>> I've opened and relubed all the fans in our HVAC system. =A0Two were
> >>> clearly squealing and would have failed if I had not, but they are
> >>> still running fine over 4 years later.
> >> I don't believe that. Open lubrication on the newer motors gets hot an=
> >> runs into the windings thus attracting dirt and also degrading the hea=
> >> formvar varnish on the windings. That is why the bearings are
> >> lubrication free. Perhaps a bit of a fire will educate you.
> > I'm not asking to believe it, just stating a fact that I do. =A0I don't
> > go overboard and put too much oil in, the wadding holds it all just
> > fine without it running into the windings.
> Bullsht! What wadding?
It was a generic term, the wadding is the porous felt-like material
that holds the oil around any bearing.
If you don't realize that, you don't know much at all about sleeve
bearing motors! Hint - I do.
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> =A0 =A0Besides, many of these
> > motors are practically completely sealed, they don't pull air
> > through.
> Thats a crock of shit. How do you think they are cooled?
Please pretend you at least known HVAC parts. MANY are not open, are
sealed motors. You've now well established that you have no
experience.
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> =A0 =A0The bearings aren't lubrication free,
> The bearings are the lube.
Until that lube runs out, and it always does after a certain number of
years.
Don't believe, I don't care, buy new motors over and over if you like
instead of the common sense maintenance practices in place for 100
years!
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> =A0 it's just that some of
> > them have done away with the external lube hole but upon inspection
> > the bearing design is otherwise the same as it had been previously.
> A Darwin Award is certainly warranted in your case.
> Whci McDonalds did you say you scrubbed floors at?
You can sweep my floors at minimum wage any time you like, IF you
change your attitude and show yourself capable of such a simple task.
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> > You must be on an ego trip. =A0It was Willis & Sons in Cincinnati and
> > you don't easily forget wading through an open basement full of mud in
> > the middle of spring nor playing with a sawzall all day.
> So you were part of the cleanup crew.. Big deal!
Umm, no. I Was the whole installation, crew. Whatever some repair
guy serviced, is 100% what I installed. Quit being a baby.
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Posted by Noon-Air on September 3, 2008, 8:56 am
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> emailaddr...@insightbb.com wrote:
> >>> I've opened and relubed all the fans in our HVAC system. Two were
> >>> clearly squealing and would have failed if I had not, but they are
> >>> still running fine over 4 years later.
> >> I don't believe that. Open lubrication on the newer motors gets hot and
> >> runs into the windings thus attracting dirt and also degrading the
> >> heavy
> >> formvar varnish on the windings. That is why the bearings are
> >> lubrication free. Perhaps a bit of a fire will educate you.
> > I'm not asking to believe it, just stating a fact that I do. I don't
> > go overboard and put too much oil in, the wadding holds it all just
> > fine without it running into the windings.
> Bullsht! What wadding?
It was a generic term, the wadding is the porous felt-like material
that holds the oil around any bearing.
If you don't realize that, you don't know much at all about sleeve
bearing motors! Hint - I do.
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> Besides, many of these
> > motors are practically completely sealed, they don't pull air
> > through.
> Thats a crock of shit. How do you think they are cooled?
Please pretend you at least known HVAC parts. MANY are not open, are
sealed motors. You've now well established that you have no
experience.
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> The bearings aren't lubrication free,
> The bearings are the lube.
Until that lube runs out, and it always does after a certain number of
years.
Don't believe, I don't care, buy new motors over and over if you like
instead of the common sense maintenance practices in place for 100
years!
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> it's just that some of
> > them have done away with the external lube hole but upon inspection
> > the bearing design is otherwise the same as it had been previously.
> A Darwin Award is certainly warranted in your case.
> Whci McDonalds did you say you scrubbed floors at?
You can sweep my floors at minimum wage any time you like, IF you
change your attitude and show yourself capable of such a simple task.
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> > You must be on an ego trip. It was Willis & Sons in Cincinnati and
> > you don't easily forget wading through an open basement full of mud in
> > the middle of spring nor playing with a sawzall all day.
> So you were part of the cleanup crew.. Big deal!
Umm, no. I Was the whole installation, crew. Whatever some repair
guy serviced, is 100% what I installed. Quit being a baby.
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If you were the whole installation crew, then you should certainly know how
to diagnose and repair, and wouldn't have to pay the $200 or $250 to have it
fixed....
Here's a hint sport, the lead on an install crew is generally a certified
Master Tech. Now GFYS
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Posted by emailaddress on September 3, 2008, 9:38 am
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> > emailaddr...@insightbb.com wrote:
> > >>> I've opened and relubed all the fans in our HVAC system. Two were
> > >>> clearly squealing and would have failed if I had not, but they are
> > >>> still running fine over 4 years later.
> > >> I don't believe that. Open lubrication on the newer motors gets hot =
and
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> > >> runs into the windings thus attracting dirt and also degrading the
> > >> heavy
> > >> formvar varnish on the windings. That is why the bearings are
> > >> lubrication free. Perhaps a bit of a fire will educate you.
> > > I'm not asking to believe it, just stating a fact that I do. I don't
> > > go overboard and put too much oil in, the wadding holds it all just
> > > fine without it running into the windings.
> > Bullsht! What wadding?
> It was a generic term, the wadding is the porous felt-like material
> that holds the oil around any bearing.
> If you don't realize that, you don't know much at all about sleeve
> bearing motors! =A0Hint - I do.
> > Besides, many of these
> > > motors are practically completely sealed, they don't pull air
> > > through.
> > Thats a crock of shit. How do you think they are cooled?
> Please pretend you at least known HVAC parts. MANY are not open, are
> sealed motors. =A0You've now well established that you have no
> experience.
> > The bearings aren't lubrication free,
> > The bearings are the lube.
> Until that lube runs out, and it always does after a certain number of
> years.
> Don't believe, I don't care, buy new motors over and over if you like
> instead of the common sense maintenance practices in place for 100
> years!
> > it's just that some of
> > > them have done away with the external lube hole but upon inspection
> > > the bearing design is otherwise the same as it had been previously.
> > A Darwin Award is certainly warranted in your case.
> > Whci McDonalds did you say you scrubbed floors at?
> You can sweep my floors at minimum wage any time you like, IF you
> change your attitude and show yourself capable of such a simple task.
> > > You must be on an ego trip. It was Willis & Sons in Cincinnati and
> > > you don't easily forget wading through an open basement full of mud i=
> > > the middle of spring nor playing with a sawzall all day.
> > So you were part of the cleanup crew.. Big deal!
> Umm, no. =A0I Was the whole installation, crew. =A0Whatever some repair
> guy serviced, is 100% what I installed. =A0Quit being a baby.
> -----------------
> If you were the whole installation crew, then you should certainly know h=
> to diagnose and repair, and wouldn't have to pay the $200 or $250 to have=
it
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> fixed....
Actually, installation uses new parts that are already checked before
put in the warehouse. All I had to do was rough-in the installation,
everything besides the thermostat and exhaust/intake covers that had
to wait till the drywall and painting was done. In a new home the
system never even got turned on before I was off to another job site.
Basically it seems you don't know about roughing-in a new installation
any more than I did about repair costs.
Why I paid close to $250 last time was that it was the middle of
summer, I had to work and didn't have a holiday off to check anything,
and didn't realize it was going to cost close to $250 for a $13
capacitor until I was handed the bill. Obviously in retrospect if I
had known what the bill would be beforehand I would have done it
myself, like I chose to this time based on that bill and the entire
topic we're discussing.
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> Here's a hint sport, the lead on an install crew is generally a certified
> Master Tech. =A0Now GFYS- Hide quoted text -
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Here's another hint. That's not always true, I started with nothing
but prior construction experience then the finishing crew that
installed the thermostat and checked the system function later were
more experienced. I proved capable of the installations, was very
rarely called back to any site to correct anything. Usually being
called back meant that the plumber wasn't on-site when he should have
been and I was doing duct runs having to guess where he'd put pipes
instead of it being done already or being able to talk to him about
his plans first.
Come to think of it, I didn't do a poll or anything but I don't recall
any of the guys doing rough-ins having master tech certification and
this was a fairly good sized shop that was one of the preferred HVAC
installers for some of the most popular home builders in the area.
We'd go down the street from one house to the next in new
neighborhoods behind built which got somewhat boring when every other
house was essentially the same except for the shape of the roof.
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Posted by KJPRO on September 3, 2008, 12:26 pm
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I left any info that was worthwhile of quoting on the above line.
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